Oneness--coexistent modalism as the true Trinity

[Lees]

Then logic means nothing to you.

Want to go again?

I can do this all day.

That's fine. Your error will be seen all day.

Lees

 

[justbyfaith]

No, why do you ask again? Are you confused?

It means the Son was never begotten. He always existed as the Son with the Father and the Holy Spirit. It means at the incarnation, the Son was given a body. The Son entered the human race. But at the Resurrection the Son, that eternal 2nd Person of the Trinity, with that Body who we know as Jesus, was begotten of God at the Resurrection. (Ps. 2:7) (Acts 13:33)

Scripture is clear.

Lees

You still haven't answered the question.

What does "begotten" mean to you?

Also, you have contradicted yourself. For you say that the Son was never begotten, and then you say that the Son, 2nd Person of the Trinity, was begotten.

 

[justbyfaith]

That's fine. Your error will be seen all day.

Lees

Nope.

Because there is no error in my thinking.

But your error will be seen all day.

I have not contradicted myself; but you have contradicted yourself.

 

[Lees]

You still haven't answered the question.

What does "begotten" mean to you?

Also, you have contradicted yourself. For you say that the Son was never begotten, and then you say that the Son, 2nd Person of the Trinity, was begotten.

I did answer your question.

I explained clearly what 'begotten' means. And I have showed you Scripture. (Ps. 2;7) and (Acts 13:33).

No. I have not contradicted myself. I explained it in post #(40). Go back and reread.

Lees

 

[Lees]

Nope.

Because there is no error in my thinking.

But your error will be seen all day.

I have not contradicted myself; but you have contradicted yourself.

Scripture says other wise.

Lees

 

[justbyfaith]

Scripture says other wise.

Lees

Nope.

 

[Lees]

Nope.

What does (Ps. 2:7) and (Acts 13:33) say?

Lees

 

[justbyfaith]

I did answer your question.

I explained clearly what 'begotten' means. And I have showed you Scripture. (Ps. 2;7) and (Acts 13:33).

No. I have not contriadicted myself. I explained it in post #(40). Go back and reread.

Lees

You contradicted yourself in post #40; and also gave no explanation.

And you still have not defined begotten.

Was Jesus God before His resurrection in your view?

If so, what does it mean that He was "begotten"?

"born of" God at the resurrection?

In what manner was Jesus born of God at the resurrection?

 

[justbyfaith]

What does (Ps. 2:7) and (Acts 13:33) say?

Lees

It doesn't matter. Those scriptures do not change the fact that you have contradicted yourself.

 

[Lees]

It doesn't matter. Those scriptures do not change the fact that you have contradicted yourself.

You contradicted yourself in post #40; and also gave no explanation.

And you still have not defined begotten.

Was Jesus God before His resurrection in your view?

If so, what does it mean that He was "begotten"?

"born of" God at the resurrection?

In what manner was Jesus born of God at the resurrection?

I have explained this already.

Lees

 

[Lees]

It doesn't matter. Those scriptures do not change the fact that you have contradicted yourself.

It doesn't matter? I give you Scripture and you say it doesn't matter. In other words, the Scripture is against you and to you, it doesn't matter.

You said a mouthful there.

Lees

 

[justbyfaith]

I have explained this already.

Lees

Not really. Try again.

 

[justbyfaith]

It doesn't matter? I give you Scripture and you say it doesn't matter. In other words, the Scripture is against you and to you, it doesn't matter.

You said a mouthful there.

Lees

What I mean is that the scriptures you quoted are irrelevant as concerning the fact that you have contradicted yourself.

And those scriptures are not against me.

We still have yet to determine what you mean when you say that Jesus was born of God at the resurrection.

Are you saying that He was a sinner before He rose from the dead (1 John 3:9, 5:18)?

 

[Lees]

Not really. Try again.

No, go back and reread. Though I doubt it would do any good.

Lees

 

[justbyfaith]

No, go back and reread. Though I doubt it would do any good.

Lees

You need to simply communicate your points more concisely.

The problem is in your communication and not in my ability to understand.

 

[Lees]

What I mean is that the scriptures you quoted are irrelevant as concerning the fact that you have contradicted yourself.

No, I said Scripture says otherwise. You say nope. I then asked what does (Ps. 2:7) and (Acts 13:33) mean.

And you say it doesn't matter.

What you mean is Scripture doesn't matter when it goes against your perverted logic.

Lees

 

[justbyfaith]

No, I said Scripture says otherwise. You say nope. I then asked what does (Ps. 2:7) and (Acts 13:33) mean.

And you say it doesn't matter.

What you mean is Scripture doesn't matter when it goes against your perverted logic.

Lees

The scripture doesn't go against my sound logic.

And it is also irrelevant to the fact that you have contradicted yourself.

But I am going to bow out of this conversation; lest one of us be labeled as a troll.

 

[Lees]

You need to simply communicate your points more concisely.

The problem is in your communication and not in my ability to understand.

Your problem is in my communication. True enough. Because I have shown the emptiness of your argument.

I don't doubt your ability to understand. I doubt your credibility and honesty in presenting your argument.

Lees

 

[Lees]

The scripture doesn't go against my sound logic.

And it is also irrelevant to the fact that you have contradicted yourself.

But I am going to bow out of this conversation; lest one of us be labeled as a troll.

Yet you can't explain (Ps 2:7) and (Acts 13:33) which are clearly against you.

Go ahead and bow out. I don't care. You and I both know why.

Lees

 

[justbyfaith]

I will say that Luke 1:35 does in fact reveal to us that Jesus was begotten in the incarnation.

Luk 1:35, And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.