Is Matthew 24:3-14 coming true?

[SetFree]

(Rev. 20:4-6) speaks to those believers who were martyred during the Tribulation, not all of the Old Testament saints. There are only 2 clasifications of 'Resurrection'. The saved and the lost. The first and the other. But there are several resurrections identified in Scripture that come under those headings. In other words, the term 'first' resurrection, is used in the ordinal sense. All resurrections of the saved are part of the first resurrection.

Those of the "first resurrection" are:
1. the Old Testament saints beheaded for The Word of God (OT patriarchs and prophets).
2. those beheaded for the Witness of Jesus (since Jesus died on the cross and through the great tribulation to the end of this world.
3. those who refused the mark of the beast during the tribulation.

None of those are about the lost. Ony these of the "first resurrection" will reign with Jesus over the unsaved during that 1,000 years of Rev.20.

The only resurrections identified in Bible Scripture:
1. Christ's resurrection when The Father raised Him from the dead
2. those of the saints that came out of their graves on the day after Christ's resurrection
3. the future resurrection at the end of this world on the LAST DAY when Jesus returns.

 

[SetFree]

What 'dead' are you talking about in (Rev. 5). Chapter and verse. (John 5:28-29) identifies the two classes of resurrection as I mentioned earlier. The first and the other....the resurrection of the saved and the resurrection of the damned. But, they are not one single event in time.

I doubt you will understand this, but for some here that might begin to grasp it per what is written, I do it for them.

Our Makeup:
The first Biblical idea that one must... understand per God's Word, is about our spiritual makeup vs. our flesh body. The old Jewish traditions are against this, but no matter, as Lord Jesus showed us in John 3 that the Pharisee Nicodemus who was supposed to know, also struggled with this.

AT Present We Have:
1. flesh body -- it is TEMPORARY and ONLY for this present 2nd world earth age. It will NOT be the type body of the world to come when Jesus returns. Paul called this a "corruptible" body.

2. our "spirit" or "spiritual body" -- we already have it, living inside... our flesh body. Paul revealed this in 2 Corinthians 5 that if our flesh were suddenly dissolved, we HAVE (present tense) another house not made with hands (non-flesh), eternal in the Heavens. This is the 'spirit' of Ecclesiastes 12:5-7 that goes back to God when our flesh dies. Our soul is attached to it, and we retain awareness. Paul called this spirit body the "spiritual body". Most think it's a new flesh body we get when Jesus returns. It's a spirit body, not a new flesh body. Actually, we already have it inside our flesh, but on that day of His coming our flesh is simply cast off, and our "spiritual body" is suddenly revealed.

3. our "soul" part, what Paul called "this mortal" in 1 Cor.15:53-54 -- this soul is our real us, the real 'you', your person, your individual. Until Jesus returns with His reward of Salvation, our soul is mortal and liable to die.


In 1 Corinthians 15:51, Apostle Paul said that we ALL shall be 'changed' at the "last trump", at the "twinkling of an eye". That is about the event on the LAST DAY, also called the "day of the Lord" when Peter said God's consuming fire will burn man's works off this earth.

Isaiah 25 is where Apostle Paul was pulling from, about Death Swallowed Up in Victory, which will be for ALL NATIONS.

Isa 25:5-9
5 Thou shalt bring down the noise of strangers, as the heat in a dry place; even the heat with the shadow of a cloud: the branch of the terrible ones shall be brought low.

6 And in this mountain shall the LORD of hosts make unto all people a feast of fat things, a feast of wines on the lees, of fat things full of marrow, of wines on the lees well refined.

7 And He will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations.

8 He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of His people shall He take away from off all the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it.

9 And it shall be said in that day, "Lo, This is our God; we have waited for Him, and He will save us: This is the LORD; we have waited for Him, we will be glad and rejoice in His salvation.
KJV


That, 'He will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over ALL PEOPLE, and the vail that is spread over ALL NATIONS', is not just about the saved in Christ's Jesus. It is about ALL NATIONS having their flesh cast off on that day, the unsaved too.

That does NOT mean everyone there will be SAVED though.


The wicked have spirit bodies inside their flesh bodies today also. They also have souls attached to their spirit inside their flesh body. So just having a spiritual body does NOT mean automatic Salvation. One's soul... MUST put on immortality in Christ Jesus also to have eternal life. Otherwise, one's soul is still in a perishable condition and still subject to the "second death" of being cast into the "lake of fire" at the end of Christ's "thousand years" reign. That's what the "second death" is, a death of one's soul and spirit body, not another death of the flesh. We are appointed only once to die, and then the judgment, per Hebrews 9:27.


In 1 Corinthians 15:53-54 Apostle Paul gave 4 different Greek words to define this difference between those in Christ, vs. the SPIRITUALLY "dead" that will still have souls that will be in a 'liable to die' condition. Most do not take the time to look up those 4 Greek words Paul used. It is about TWO different changes each soul must go through to have eternal life in Christ Jesus.

First Change:
Your "corruptible" flesh body must be changed to "incorruption" (spiritual body),
AND...
Second Change:
Your "this mortal" (mortal soul) must put on "immortality" through Faith on Jesus Christ.

1 Cor 15:53
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
KJV


Surely brethren in Christ understand the difference about souls today, those who believe on Jesus Christ, and those who do not. There is such an idea suggested in God's Word of the idea of SPIRITUAL DEAD.

When Lord Jesus remarked about the blind Pharisees who rejected Him, that they were like dead men's graves that people walk over them and not aware, this the idea Lord Jesus was pointing to, i.e. , the idea of being 'spiritually dead' inside with one's soul and spirit.

Matt 23:27
27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
KJV

That is who the "dead" of Revelation 20:5 are, the UNSAVED NATIONS that Lord Jesus and His elect of the "first resurrection" will reign over for that future "thousand years". Those will include of course the "resurrection of damnation" that are raised on the day of Christ's future coming also. Their 'souls' will NOT have put on "immortality" through the Blood of Jesus Christ. Thus their souls will still be 'mortal', liable to die at the "second death" of being cast into the "lake of fire".

 

[Ammi]

I think it's pretrib or at least prewrath, cause it makes no sense for a bridegroom to throw hail on his bride. Michael Brown said posttrib, cause he thinks it's nasty to leave Israel alone, but they get a place in the desert and it's a time of Jacob's trouble. He had a text from Revelation that this was the first raising of the dead at the end when Jesus comes, so that's one reason he believes this, but I looked it up.

Revelation 20

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for [a]a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.

So it says only the ones who get beheaded in the trib get raised here. The rest has to wait another 1000 years.

Then where is Abraham when Jesus reigns on earth 1000 years? He leaves him in heaven? That makes no sense. Where are all the O.T. saints, N.T. saints? The apostles? All christians who died after them?

They come with Him on white horses. They have already been raised just before the rapture, just like Ken Peters saw in his dream in the 80s.

Revelation 19
11 Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war. 12 His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns. He [a]had a name written that no one knew except Himself. 13 He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies in heaven, clothed in [b]fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses. 15 Now out of His mouth goes a [c]sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16 And He has on His robe and on His thigh a name written:

KING OF KINGS AND
LORD OF LORDS.

And

2 Thessalonians 2:7​

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7 For the [a]mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only [b]He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way.

The antichrist can only come when he who restrains is taken out of the way. That's also what Ken Peters saw. There was zero resistance when he came.

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There's a popular thread on one of the larger Christian forums that explains why pre-trib doctrine is..."

Pre-Trib Rapture Danger To Your Soul​

"Man's theory of a Pre-tribulational Rapture is dangerous to one's soul who believes it. The reason is because that idea by men is designed to lead you to worship of the devil in the last days. Lord Jesus showed that His coming to gather His Church is AFTER... the tribulation He forewarned us..."
I'm not saying I believe this; I'm just using it as an example as to why I don't have an end-time doctrine. There's pre-trib, mid-trib, post-trib, and ammillenial trib. And there may be more. All people do is argue about it. I hate arguing. I want nothing to do with it. If the Lord wants me to know something about it, He'll show me. And I think in His time, He will. I've read the bible many times over. It's in me. All He has to do is put it together. But He's been doing other stuff with me. Shalom.

 

[Messy]

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[Messy]

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[Lees]

Man's false Pre-trib Rapture theory is what wrongly teaches 2 comings by Lord Jesus at the end of this world, which is NOT written. That's the idea you are pointing to, which is not written in God's Word. Jesus comes only ONE TIME to gather His saints, and it will be AFTER... the tribulation like He said in those Matthew 24 and Mark 13 chapters.

Lord Jesus covered both, the gathering of the 'asleep' saints He brings with Him, AND... the gathering of the saints still alive on the day of His coming, in His Olivet discourse. It's just that the Matt.24:31 version covers about the 'asleep' saints being gathered from Heaven, while the Mark 13:27 version covers the saints still alive on earth being gathered from the earth, what you call the 'rapture'.

Mark 13:24-27
24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.
26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.
KJV

What Jesus covered there is actually... what Apostle Paul covered in 1 Thessalonians 4 about the day of Christ's coming to gather His Church...


1 Thess 4:14-17
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
KJV

Per the above 1 Thessalonians 4 Scripture:

1. those which sleep in Jesus He will bring with Him. That means they are first gathering in... Heaven, just like Matthew 24:31 reveals.

2. we which are alive and remain til Christ's coming shall not precede (KJV "prevent" means 'precede' per the New Testament Greek), the asleep saints. They are already there with Jesus. That is how He brings them with Him when He comes.

3. the dead in Christ shall resurrect first. That means the 'resurrection' at the END of this world, the LAST DAY. I gave proof of that in my previous post. That means the asleep saints MUST rise first and gathered in Heaven first. This actually gives the TIMING OF CHRIST'S COMING to gather His Church to be on the LAST DAY of this world, which is when the resurrection of John 5:28-29 will happen.

4. On that same LAST DAY when the asleep saints are resurrected, and then gathered from Heaven, then we which are still alive on earth will be "caught up" (i.e., the rapture) to meet Jesus AND them, in the air.

Thus Apostle Paul taught the SAME timing and events of the gathering of the saints that Lord Jesus did!

The problem with men's false Pre-trib Rapture Theory is they are not staying with what is actually written in God's Word. Instead, those preachers are simply 'playing' Church, and deceiving those who don't actually study God's Word for theirselves.

I asked what you meant by (Matt. 29-31)?

Pre-Trib Rapture does not teach 2 comings of Christ at the end of the world. It teaches a rapture of the Church at the end of the Church 'age'. This occurs prior to the Tribulation. And may well initiate the 7 year Tribulation. God once again dealing with Israel. At the end of the Tribulation Christ returns to earth.

It's not a false doctrine just because you say so. And all you are doing is taking the verses that speak to the Rapture and identifying them with the 2nd Coming.

Lees

 

[Lees]

That's an old ploy the Pre-trib Rapture theory of men like to use, i.e., confuse the time of the future resurrection. The John 6:39 verse is only one proof, by Lord Jesus, that the future resurrection is on the LAST DAY of this present world, and certainly cannot be confused with some 'latter days' metaphor like you're vainly trying to impose into that Scripture.

John 5:28-29 is proof of Christ's coming on the day of the future resurrection, because He declares both the "resurrection of life" AND the "resurrection of damnation" happening on that day. And only a worker of the devil would try to say those resurrection events have already happened, or happen before the time of "great tribulation" or even during it. And you can't claim one without the other there in John 5:28-29, both resurrection types happen on that day when ALL come out of their graves, like Jesus said there.

Per John 6:44, Lord Jesus even reveals in connection with the resurrection on the LAST DAY, 'eternal life' will be given to His servants on that day. Until that day, we only have the Promise of eternal life. It does not go into effect until the day of His future return when the "resurrection of life" happens (the 'asleep' saints must rise first, remember?).

John 12:48 reveals the 'judgment' happens at the LAST DAY. How can anyone say that "last day" means some other time than when Jesus returns and judges the world? So these Scriptures of what Lord Jesus and His Apostles reveal about the "last day" is definitely pointing to the FINAL day of this world when Jesus comes and the future resurrection happens on that day.

John 5:28-29
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear His voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
KJV

(Rev. 20:4-6) is clear that there is a resurrection before the 1000 year millennium. "and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years." (20:4)

And there is a resurrection after the 1000 year millennium. "But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished." (Rev. 20:5)

So...where do you place your 'last day'?

"Latter days metaphor"? You might reconsider. (Jer. 30:24) "...in the latter days ye shall consider it." (Deut. 2:28) "...what shall be in the latter days." (Dan. 10:14) "...what shall befall thy people in the latter days."

Lees

 

[Lees]

I doubt you will understand this, but for some here that might begin to grasp it per what is written, I do it for them.

That is who the "dead" of Revelation 20:5 are, the UNSAVED NATIONS that Lord Jesus and His elect of the "first resurrection" will reign over for that future "thousand years". Those will include of course the "resurrection of damnation" that are raised on the day of Christ's future coming also. Their 'souls' will NOT have put on "immortality" through the Blood of Jesus Christ. Thus their souls will still be 'mortal', liable to die at the "second death" of being cast into the "lake of fire".

I asked you about (Rev. 5) that you gave as reference. I see now it was just a mistake.

(Rev. 20:5) is not about unsaved nations. That sorting out of nations occurs at Christ's 2nd Coming. (Matt. 24:31-32)

(Rev. 20:5) is a clear indicator of the time period known as the Millennium. There is a resurrection before the 1000 years. And there is a resurrection after the 1000 years. Read (Rev. 20:1-6)

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[Lees]

Those of the "first resurrection" are:
1. the Old Testament saints beheaded for The Word of God (OT patriarchs and prophets).
2. those beheaded for the Witness of Jesus (since Jesus died on the cross and through the great tribulation to the end of this world.
3. those who refused the mark of the beast during the tribulation.

None of those are about the lost. Ony these of the "first resurrection" will reign with Jesus over the unsaved during that 1,000 years of Rev.20.

The only resurrections identified in Bible Scripture:
1. Christ's resurrection when The Father raised Him from the dead
2. those of the saints that came out of their graves on the day after Christ's resurrection
3. the future resurrection at the end of this world on the LAST DAY when Jesus returns.

My point was that the 'first resurrection' pertains to all of the resurrections of the saved, no matter when they occur.

And, that the resurrections occur at several different times.

Lees

 

[SetFree]

I asked what you meant by (Matt. 29-31)?

And I told you, as per Bible Scripture.

Pre-Trib Rapture does not teach 2 comings of Christ at the end of the world.

Well, yes it does... wrongly teach 2 separate comings by Christ at the end of this world, the first one PRIOR to the "great tribulation" (pre-tribbers call the 'rapture'), and then Christ's return with His saints as the 'second coming'.

That is TWO separate comings by Christ which false Pre-trib Rapture theory wrongly teaches. Call it what you want, but that is TWO COMINGS OF CHRIST, not one which God's Word teaches will be for the LAST DAY of this world.

It teaches a rapture of the Church at the end of the Church 'age'.

No such thing written in God's Word as a "Church age". That is a made-up doctrine of John Darby's dispensationalist theory. It doesn't come from God's written Word, it comes from men's leaven doctrines. (All 7 of Christ's Messages to the 7 Churches in Asia are STILL in effect for ALL Christian Churches today, and all the way to Christ's future return.)

This occurs prior to the Tribulation. And may well initiate the 7 year Tribulation. God once again dealing with Israel. At the end of the Tribulation Christ returns to earth.

Nope. That's more made-up leaven doctrines of men per their false Pre-trib Rapture theory. There is NO RAPTURE prior to the time of "great tribulation". One will NOT find that written anywhere in God's Word. It is make-believe per men's false doctrine.

Moreover, I know you have read the Matthew 24:29-31 Scripture where Lord Jesus stated about His coming to gather His saints AFTER... the tribulation. So WHY have you REJECTED what He said there??

 

[SetFree]

(Rev. 20:4-6) is clear that there is a resurrection before the 1000 year millennium. "and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years." (20:4)

Revelation 20:1-5 reveals that CHRIST HAD RETURNED by that point, and BEGAN His 1,000 years reign with His elect, with Satan being cast and sealed into the bottomless pit for the 1,000 years. That is the FIRST DAY of Christ's future reign. It is revealing the resurrection that will only happen on the day of Christ's future return.

And you want to make that out to be a time BEFORE Christ's future return??? Your idea is just silliness.

And there is a resurrection after the 1000 year millennium. "But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished." (Rev. 20:5)

So...where do you place your 'last day'?

You are still purposefully trying to confuse when the LAST DAY is, I see.

The "day of the Lord" is the 1st day of Christ's 1,000 years reign with His elect. It is the day also when Christ gathers His faithful saints, and takes reign over ALL nations on earth. It is also the day when the future resurrection happens, as per John 5:28-29, a Scripture which you apparently also REJECT.


WELCOME TO MY IGNORE LIST, SINCE YOU REJECT WHAT LORD JESUS AND HIS APOSTLES TAUGHT IN GOD'S WRITTEN WORD, SHOWING THAT YOU ARE NOT INTERESTED IN GOD'S TRUTH, BUT INSTEAD IN MEN'S LIES.

 

[Messy]

All resurrections of the saved are part of the first resurrection.

Yes. The 2 witnesses get raised at another time, just as the ones before the rapture, but that's not clearly written in Revelation and Paul already says that that's a mystery.
Daniel 12 seems to indicate a raising of the dead around the time the trib starts, but I may be reading into it:
At that time Michael shall stand up,
The great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people;
And there shall be a time of trouble,
Such as never was since there was a nation,
Even to that time.
And at that time your people shall be delivered,
Every one who is found written in the book.
2 And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake,

 

[Messy]

Revelation 20:1-5 reveals that CHRIST HAD RETURNED by that point, and BEGAN His 1,000 years reign with His elect, with Satan being cast and sealed into the bottomless pit for the 1,000 years. That is the FIRST DAY of Christ's future reign. It is revealing the resurrection that will only happen on the day of Christ's future return.

And you want to make that out to be a time BEFORE Christ's future return??? Your idea is just silliness.



You are still purposefully trying to confuse when the LAST DAY is, I see.

The "day of the Lord" is the 1st day of Christ's 1,000 years reign with His elect. It is the day also when Christ gathers His faithful saints, and takes reign over ALL nations on earth. It is also the day when the future resurrection happens, as per John 5:28-29, a Scripture which you apparently also REJECT.


WELCOME TO MY IGNORE LIST, SINCE YOU REJECT WHAT LORD JESUS AND HIS APOSTLES TAUGHT IN GOD'S WRITTEN WORD, SHOWING THAT YOU ARE NOT INTERESTED IN GOD'S TRUTH, BUT INSTEAD IN MEN'S LIES.

Explain how we don't know when Jesus comes (Matthew 25:13 “Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour [b]in which the Son of Man is coming.)
while Daniel 12 says:
And from the time that the daily sacrifice is taken away, and the abomination of desolation is set up, there shall be one thousand two hundred and ninety days. 12 Blessed is he who waits, and comes to the one thousand three hundred and thirty-five days.
And explain how people can be lazy, eat drink and marry when all christians get their head cut off and you cant buy or sell if you dont have a mark.
Matthew 24:36
But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of [f]heaven, but My Father only. 37 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.

 

[Lees]

Yes. The 2 witnesses get raised at another time, just as the ones before the rapture, but that's not clearly written in Revelation and Paul already says that that's a mystery.
Daniel 12 seems to indicate a raising of the dead around the time the trib starts, but I may be reading into it:
At that time Michael shall stand up,
The great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people;
And there shall be a time of trouble,
Such as never was since there was a nation,
Even to that time.
And at that time your people shall be delivered,
Every one who is found written in the book.
2 And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake,

Yes, (Dan. 12:1-3) is difficult to interpret.

I believe it is a physical resurrection of Jews, but only some. It occurs either before or at the end of the Tribulation. I lean towards before.

I know the reading of (Dan. 12:2) tends to say some of these are the saved and some are the damned. But I am not sure. Everlasting contempt and shame is not quite the same as the lake of fire.

It definitely benefits the Lord in resurrecting these at that time for His purpose.

Lees

 

[Lees]

And I told you, as per Bible Scripture.


Well, yes it does... wrongly teach 2 separate comings by Christ at the end of this world, the first one PRIOR to the "great tribulation" (pre-tribbers call the 'rapture'), and then Christ's return with His saints as the 'second coming'.

That is TWO separate comings by Christ which false Pre-trib Rapture theory wrongly teaches. Call it what you want, but that is TWO COMINGS OF CHRIST, not one which God's Word teaches will be for the LAST DAY of this world.




No such thing written in God's Word as a "Church age". That is a made-up doctrine of John Darby's dispensationalist theory. It doesn't come from God's written Word, it comes from men's leaven doctrines. (All 7 of Christ's Messages to the 7 Churches in Asia are STILL in effect for ALL Christian Churches today, and all the way to Christ's future return.)


Nope. That's more made-up leaven doctrines of men per their false Pre-trib Rapture theory. There is NO RAPTURE prior to the time of "great tribulation". One will NOT find that written anywhere in God's Word. It is make-believe per men's false doctrine.

Moreover, I know you have read the Matthew 24:29-31 Scripture where Lord Jesus stated about His coming to gather His saints AFTER... the tribulation. So WHY have you REJECTED what He said there??

No you didn't. Again, what do you mean by (Matt. 29-31)?

No, the Rapture occuring prior to the Tribulation is not the end of the world. The Tribulation must occur and then the 2nd coming of Christ. Pre-Trib does teach Christ coming for His Church, the Rapture, in the air. And later Christ coming back to earth, the 2nd coming.

No such thing as 'church age'? When did the Church begin? Of course the messages to the 7 churches in (Revelation) are still in effect. So what?

Yup. The Rapture occurs prior to the Tribulation. See how easy it is to say it. You say it doesn't yet you offer no proof that it doesn't.

(Matt. 24:29-31) proves that Christ returns to earth after the Tribulation. (24:29) It doesn't prove anything concerning the Rapture of the Church.

Do yourself and others a favor and include the chapter and verses when you reference them.

Lees

 

[Lees]

Revelation 20:1-5 reveals that CHRIST HAD RETURNED by that point, and BEGAN His 1,000 years reign with His elect, with Satan being cast and sealed into the bottomless pit for the 1,000 years. That is the FIRST DAY of Christ's future reign. It is revealing the resurrection that will only happen on the day of Christ's future return.

And you want to make that out to be a time BEFORE Christ's future return??? Your idea is just silliness.



You are still purposefully trying to confuse when the LAST DAY is, I see.

The "day of the Lord" is the 1st day of Christ's 1,000 years reign with His elect. It is the day also when Christ gathers His faithful saints, and takes reign over ALL nations on earth. It is also the day when the future resurrection happens, as per John 5:28-29, a Scripture which you apparently also REJECT.


WELCOME TO MY IGNORE LIST, SINCE YOU REJECT WHAT LORD JESUS AND HIS APOSTLES TAUGHT IN GOD'S WRITTEN WORD, SHOWING THAT YOU ARE NOT INTERESTED IN GOD'S TRUTH, BUT INSTEAD IN MEN'S LIES.

Again, there is a resurrection before the 1000 year millennium and a resurrection after the 1000 year millennium. (Rev. 20:4-5)

Where do you place your 'last day'? And explain the 'latter days' verses I gave you as opposed to your accusation of a 'latter days metaphor'.

I reject what you are teaching. I don't reject what the Bible is teaching.

Yeah, I get that 'ignore' alot. For your information I don't place anyone on ignore.

Lees

 

[SetFree]

Explain how we don't know when Jesus comes (Matthew 25:13 “Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour [b]in which the Son of Man is coming.)

No one can... know the "day" nor "hour" of Jesus' coming. What Lord Jesus is pointing to is a date. Does anyone, or can anyone know that? Of course not.

But we can... know the SIGNS of the end leading up to the day of His return, because those SIGNS He gave us. And that is especially what His Olivet discourse, and His Book of Revelation are about.

Therefore, I can tell you within roughly 3 and 1/2 days of Lord Jesus' coming, simply because He showed us that in Revelation 11 that His coming happens with the 7th trumpet - 3rd woe, and the two witnesses are killed just 3 and 1/2 days before that, with their dead bodies left laying in the street for that period, and then they arise. But I cannot... tell you what 'date' that will happen on. That is how no man knows the "day" nor the "hour" of His coming is meant, i.e. pointing to a specific date.

Has there been those who claim to prophesy and set dates for the day of Christ's coming? Yeah! Many have tried to set prophetic dates for Christ's coming and the end of the world that didn't come true.


This is why Lord Jesus gave us the SIGNS of the end to be 'watching'. It is so we will not be deceived with waiting for Him to come...

Luke 12:37-40
37 Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them.
38 And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants.
39 And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through.
40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.
KJV

Lord Jesus told us on the 6th Vial in Revelation 16:15 that He comes "as a thief". The above idea of His command for us to 'watch' is what He was pointing to.

Watch what? The false Pre-trib Rapture school doesn't know, because all they say is to just 'be ready' for Christ's coming. They even teach against the SIGNS of the end Jesus gave us to be watching leading up to His return. They falsely claim His Olivet discourse is for the Jews, and not for the Church. That is to steer Christ's servants away from the very SIGNS Jesus gave His Church to be watching leading up to His coming. In Luke 21, didn't Jesus even say at a certain point, to look up, lift up your heads, for your redemption draweth nigh? (Luke 21:28)

Even Apostle Paul in 2 Thessalonians 2 told us that 2 main signs must occur first, before Christ's coming and gathering of the Church will happen. The great falling away and revealing of the 'man of sin' (Antichrist) must happen first. But still does not set a specific 'date' for that.

 

[SetFree]

....while Daniel 12 says:
And from the time that the daily sacrifice is taken away, and the abomination of desolation is set up, there shall be one thousand two hundred and ninety days. 12 Blessed is he who waits, and comes to the one thousand three hundred and thirty-five days.

You're getting into more than one topic there. The event of the daily sacrifice being taken away and the abomination of desolation IDOL being setup in a new temple in Jerusalem for the end is one of the SIGNS of the 'end' that Lord Jesus commanded us to be watching. It is Matthew 24:15. That event He showed will set off the time of "great tribulation" at the end, and for His servants in that area of Jerusalem to get out of that area, flee to the mountains, and for those of His servants in the countries to not enter into Jerusalem at that time (Matthew 24:15-21; Luke 21:21). That event is specifically what the "vile person" and setting up of the abomination that maketh desolate idol prophecy in Daniel 11 is about. It is to happen in Jerusalem towards the end of this world.

The 1290 and 1335 days of Dan.12 point to after Christ's return. Some try to move that 1290 days start time to 30 days prior to the mid-point, but that would cancel other Scripture like in Daniel 8 & 11 about the time when the abomination is setup. And back at Dan.12:6 Daniel asks the angel how long shall it be to the end of these wonders. Then the next verse answer declares the time, times, and an half, which means the 1260 day latter half.

Thus coming to the 1290 days means 30 days after Christ's return, suggesting a time of cleansing and probable pointing to Dan.8:14 about the time of the Sanctuary being cleansed. Then the 1335 days is about Christ's faithful who waited for Him being blessed.

 

[SetFree]

And explain how people can be lazy, eat drink and marry when all christians get their head cut off and you cant buy or sell if you dont have a mark.
Matthew 24:36
But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of [f]heaven, but My Father only. 37 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.

Not all of us are going to be delivered up to give that Testimony for Christ and be beheaded. And those of us who will be, I am certain Jesus will prepare those for it by The Holy Spirit. How can we know this? Because if everyone... is beheaded during the tribulation, would there be any of us left alive on earth to be gathered by Lord Jesus when He comes? Still, we are not to fear death of our flesh, as per Lord Jesus (Matthew 10:28). Our flesh is just a shell our spirit with soul lives in; it's not the real part of us.

Now the Matthew 24:37-39 verses where Jesus warned that the days of His coming would be just like the days of Noe (Noah), that's a different matter. Per Genesis 6 what was happening in the days of Noah? Who especially... was taking and giving in marriage per that chapter? The "sons of God" (angels) were taking wives of the daughters of the man Adam, trying to taint the bloodline that Christ would be born through. When speaking of Noah, it even said Noah was 'perfect in his generations', which is definitely about bloodline purity, because the Hebrew word for "perfect" is the word used for the unblemished purity of sacrificial animals required for the old covenant.

So get ready, because Lord Jesus even revealed in Revelation 12:7 forward that Satan and his angels are coming to earth, in OUR dimension, for the end of this world. And he is not going to be hiding behind some flesh man via spirit possession either. Satan is going to appear with the image of 'man' on this earth, as all the angels have the image of man also from God's Own image likeness. The majority of the world ain't even close to being ready for this coming event.

Thusly, you want to know what all the UAP revelations are about in the news? That is conditioning to influence public opinion in preparation for that coming Rev.12:7-9 event. The world leaders are pushing propaganda with that, trying to get us to believe those are aliens from another part of the universe. No, that will be about the appearance of Satan and his angels right here, on earth, in plain sight.

 

[Messy]

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