King Charles' coronation

[Jazzy]

King Charles will be crowned at Westminster Abbey in a ceremony full of pomp, pageantry and solemn religious significance on Saturday May 6, after he became monarch of the United Kingdom and 14 other realms on the death of his mother Queen Elizabeth in September.

---

Do you plan on watching the coronation?

 

[Stravinsk]

Oh shoot, I missed it. Watched this instead:

Meet King Charles, The Great Resetter

 

[tango]

I didn't watch it. My wife did, and is glad she did.

It looks like it rained for much of the ceremony, but still vast numbers of people lined The Mall in the rain.

 

[Faith]

King Charles will be crowned at Westminster Abbey in a ceremony full of pomp, pageantry and solemn religious significance on Saturday May 6, after he became monarch of the United Kingdom and 14 other realms on the death of his mother Queen Elizabeth in September.

---

Do you plan on watching the coronation?

I didnt watch it but did see new clips of it. I really liked Princess Diana and despise Charles and Camilla.

 

[ValleyGal]

I watched the ceremony itself but not the processions. I thought it was tasteful, and the only thing that concerned me was the "walls" that encased the king while he was supposedly anointed. Why would everything be public but not that, the most significant part of the ceremony as the head of the Church of England?

I'm glad I watched it but do not like that they are going against Queen Elizabeth's instructions that Camilla be called queen consort rather than queen. I will never think of her as queen, as she could never replace Queen E. And no, I do not like how the monarchy has contributed to war and other questionable activities like colonialism and slavery, but I do believe Queen E.'s values changed over the years as well. I still respect her for her integrity, humility, and her defense of the faith.

As for Charles.... I'll reserve judgement until he proves himself. So far it's not looking good based on the way he treats the people around him.

 

[tango]

I watched the ceremony itself but not the processions. I thought it was tasteful, and the only thing that concerned me was the "walls" that encased the king while he was supposedly anointed. Why would everything be public but not that, the most significant part of the ceremony as the head of the Church of England?

I'm glad I watched it but do not like that they are going against Queen Elizabeth's instructions that Camilla be called queen consort rather than queen. I will never think of her as queen, as she could never replace Queen E. And no, I do not like how the monarchy has contributed to war and other questionable activities like colonialism and slavery, but I do believe Queen E.'s values changed over the years as well. I still respect her for her integrity, humility, and her defense of the faith.

As for Charles.... I'll reserve judgement until he proves himself. So far it's not looking good based on the way he treats the people around him.

When Queen Elizaeth was alive she ruled that Camilla would be Queen Consort, as opposed to Princess or Princess Consort. Now "the Queen" no longer refers to Elizabeth it's easier to refer to Camilla as Queen than Queen Consort.

 

[ValleyGal]

Queen consort was not her title prior to Queen E's death. Prior to Queen E's death, Camilla was Duchess of Cornwall, and some time around her jubilee, Queen E expressed her wish that Camilla would be called Queen Consort when Charles ascended to the throne, as opposed to "Princess" (Philip had the title "Prince" even though he was married to the queen).

 

[tango]

Queen consort was not her title prior to Queen E's death. Prior to Queen E's death, Camilla was Duchess of Cornwall, and some time around her jubilee, Queen E expressed her wish that Camilla would be called Queen Consort when Charles ascended to the throne, as opposed to "Princess" (Philip had the title "Prince" even though he was married to the queen).

Of course, while the Queen lived Camilla couldn't be Queen, just as Charles couldn't be King.

When the Queen died Charles became King, which led to the question of whether Camilla would remain Princess or become Queen. While she lived Queen Ellizabeth gave the green light for Camilla to be Queen rather than Princess.

Since the monarchy has been patriarchal for many years (it was only between the births of Prince George and Princess Charlotte that the order of succession was changed such that male heirs didn't take precedence over females), when then-Princess Elizabeth became Queen her husband didn't become King because that would have made him senior to her. Hence he became Prince Philip rather than King Philip.

The issue around Camilla wasn't so much what title she might technically be entitled to but whether the people would accept her being called Queen. After the death of the Queen's father King George, her mother was still known as "Queen Elizabeth, the Queen Mother". She was married to the King so she was the Queen.

 

[ValleyGal]

the question of whether Camilla would remain Princess or become Queen.

Camilla was never a princess and never had that title. She was titled Duchess of Cornwall.

There is a difference between a queen and queen consort. A queen is one who is in direct royal lineage. Charlotte could one day be queen because she has royal blood. A queen consort is someone who is married to a king and has no "constitutional power." Camilla should have been crowned queen consort, not queen, as queen suggests equal power, as you say. But she has no power, is not in the royal bloodline and is a queen consort, not a queen.

 

[tango]

Camilla was never a princess and never had that title. She was titled Duchess of Cornwall.

There is a difference between a queen and queen consort. A queen is one who is in direct royal lineage. Charlotte could one day be queen because she has royal blood. A queen consort is someone who is married to a king and has no "constitutional power." Camilla should have been crowned queen consort, not queen, as queen suggests equal power, as you say. But she has no power, is not in the royal bloodline and is a queen consort, not a queen.

The Queen's mother, the wife of King George VI, was known as Queen Elizabeth. The woman once called Kate Middleton, who became the Duchess of Cambridge when she married Prince William, then also became the Princess of Wales when William was made Prince of Wales when Charles became King.

Camilla was the Duchess of Cornwall, and there was debate over whether she would be titled Princess or Queen when Charles ascended to the throne. It was decided by Queen Elizabeth. You're right that the "queen consort" means the wife of the king rather than the queen in her own right but the name "Queen Camilla" is cleaner and easier to use than "Camilla, Queen Consort".

Ultimately it's for the palace to decide exactly how titles are used. Camilla may have no power in her own right but as the wife of the king it's hard to imagine her not having any power in a practical sense. She might not be what's technically a "Queen Regnant" but in the past those who were technically a Queen Consort have been called "Queen (name)", so it's not like this is anything new.