The Salvation of Jesus Christ

[heavenslight]

BiblicallyCorrect, are you saying that after we are saved that we need to live transformed lives in obedience to Jesus Christ? I too believe this.

 

[Albion]

I know this is very clear cut:

Matthew 5:48
Be ye therefore perfect,
even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Then name for us even one living person who IS perfect. Not who is TRYING to be perfect, or even just to do better, but perfect.

 

[Albion]

BiblicallyCorrect, are you saying that after we are saved that we need to live transformed lives in obedience to Jesus Christ? I too believe this.

He's obviously not saying that, since everyone here believes that it is important for us as believers to do our best to live transformed lives.

The issue is whether or not anyone is able to do that. If there were such a person, he wouldn't need Jesus as a Savior since, by keeping God's laws perfectly, he'd deserve heaven on his own merits. The whole point of God becoming Man, living and teaching among men, and giving his life on the Cross, was to enable us to be saved who could not save ourselves.

 

[BiblicallyCorrect]

So I was right in post #8 that you think YOU have to be sinless to get to heaven. Haven't you heard the Gospel that Jesus died on the cross for the forgiveness of your sins? Believe in him for eternal life!

There was in the days of Herod,
the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias,
of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron,
and her name was Elisabeth.

And they were both righteous before God,
walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

 

[BiblicallyCorrect]

The good news is that
we do not have to live in sin and commit sin
and be in bondage to our flesh anymore.
We can overcome the flesh by obedience to all the
commandments of Jesus Christ, to which is the only way to God.

 

[Lamb]

BiblicallyCorrect, are you saying that after we are saved that we need to live transformed lives in obedience to Jesus Christ? I too believe this.

No, he's saying that it's his obedience that is the cause of his salvation.

 

[BiblicallyCorrect]

BiblicallyCorrect, are you saying that after we are saved that we need to live transformed lives in obedience to Jesus Christ? I too believe this.

To be saved, it is written Jesus stated, you have to endure till the end.

True or false, you pick which one is the truth:

1. Disobedient souls enter into the Kingdom of God.
2. Obedient souls enter into the Kingdom of God.
3. God cast only those in hell who are disobedient to the commandments of Jesus.
4. God cast no one in hell who is obedient to all the commandments of Jesus Christ.

It is pretty simple and obvious to me, so much, even a cave man can understand it.

Only the disobedient to the words of life, are cast into hell.

 

[Albion]

There was in the days of Herod,
the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias,
of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron,
and her name was Elisabeth.

And they were both righteous before God,
walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

No one who came before Christ was sinless. If they had been sinless, they'd have been in heaven while Christ was on Earth, but we know from the Bible that the heroes of the Old Testament, like Moses and Abraham, were NOT in heaven until Christ's sacrifice was accomplished. All the "occupants" of "Abraham's Bosom" were then freed to go to heaven.

 

[BiblicallyCorrect]

No one who came before Christ was sinless. If they had been sinless, they'd have been in heaven while Christ was on Earth, but we know from the Bible that the heroes of the Old Testament, like Moses and Abraham, were NOT in heaven until Christ's sacrifice was accomplished. All the "occupants" of "Abraham's Bosom" were then freed to go to heaven.

John 8:58
Jesus said unto them, Verily,
verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

 

[Albion]

...which doesn't have anything to do with what we were discussing or that my post was addressing. Perhaps you overlooked the reference to "Abraham's Bosom" (the "Abode of the righteous dead").
Check it out.

 

[heavenslight]

To be saved, it is written Jesus stated, you have to endure till the end.

True or false, you pick which one is the truth:

1. Disobedient souls enter into the Kingdom of God.
2. Obedient souls enter into the Kingdom of God.
3. God cast only those in hell who are disobedient to the commandments of Jesus.
4. God cast no one in hell who is obedient to all the commandments of Jesus Christ.

It is pretty simple and obvious to me, so much, even a cave man can understand it.

Only the disobedient to the words of life, are cast into hell.

BiblicallyCorrect, please respond clearly to me. Are you saying that a saved person will completely stop sinning and only then will they be able to enter heaven? Or are you saying that after obtaining salvation that they will live a changed, obedient life?

After reading your posts I still am not sure that I understand you although you claim to be communicating clearly. Presume that I am very dense and need things explained very explicitly.

 

[BiblicallyCorrect]

BiblicallyCorrect, please respond clearly to me. Are you saying that a saved person will completely stop sinning and only then will they be able to enter heaven? Or are you saying that after obtaining salvation that they will live a changed, obedient life?

I am saying that there will not be anyone, who lives on the new Earth, will had not repented from
all their sins and ceased from committing sin and obeying all the commandments
of Jesus Christ, on the old Earth.

Now if you can't accept this, so be it.

 

[BiblicallyCorrect]

I will obey
all of the commandments
of Jesus Christ.
Nothing more,
nothing less.
The Holy Ghost
will do all the rest.

~ Stephen
the Lord's anointed

 

[heavenslight]

I believe that is clear. To restate your view in slightly different language we must fully repent of all our sins and live entirely sinless lives in order to be saved. Correct?

I believe that living an entirely sinless life, using Jesus as our model, should be our ideal goal.( I don't know if anyone has achieved this although there are saints who have lived very holy lives )
But we still have our sin nature. If we do sin we need to repent of that sin. Jesus however covers our sins with His blood shed at Calvary

 

[BiblicallyCorrect]

I don't want to just be obedient
all the time unto the Lord. I want to be holy
all the time unto the Lord.

After all my God is the living God.
Nothing is impossible or hard for Him.
Therefore I have set my sights and my
expectations of myself, according
to my God's greatness.

~ Stephen
the Lord's anointed

 

[heavenslight]

Your answer is a little enigmatic to me. However it appears that you are saying that God expects complete sinlessness and obedience in behavior, thought and in every respect from any person in order to enter heaven.

 

[Albion]

...and also, that he's one person who accomplishes that feat.

On the other hand, Pride is not a virtue but is one of the seven deadly sins, isn't it?

"But he gives us more grace. That is why Scripture says:
'God opposes the proud
but shows favor to the humble' "
(James 4:6)

 

[heavenslight]

After all my God is the living God.
Nothing is impossible or hard for Him.
Therefore I have set my sights and my
expectations of myself, according
to my God's greatness.

~ Stephen
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May the Lord Jesus bless you BiblicallyCorrect

 

[BiblicallyCorrect]

I glorify myself,
in the glory of my God.
Everyday with Him
is better than
each day before.
I have no possessions,
for even I belong to Him.
For I have it all,
my glory is my God.

~ Stephen
the Lord's anointed

 

[Lamb]

I glorify myself,
in the glory of my God.
Everyday with Him
is better than
each day before.
I have no possessions,
for even I belong to Him.
For I have it all,
my glory is my God.

~ Stephen
the Lord's anointed

That's not a very good interpretation of the verse...it goes like this:

John 8:54 Jesus replied, “If I glorify myself, my glory means nothing. My Father, whom you claim as your God, is the one who glorifies me.