Exodus, Egyptology

[Faith]

I need some help here from an LCMS perspective. Does anybody have knowledge of the Bible’s timeline of Exodus and Egyptian chronology? The dates Egyptologists give don’t line up with the Bible. Is the Bible wrong or were the Egyptians wrong and please give the reasons why or links to those reasons.

 

[Lamb]

What Egyptians? What timeline?

 

[Albion]

I need some help here from an LCMS perspective. Does anybody have knowledge of the Bible’s timeline of Exodus and Egyptian chronology? The dates Egyptologists give don’t line up with the Bible. Is the Bible wrong or were the Egyptians wrong and please give the reasons why or links to those reasons.

The uncertainty exists because the Bible gives us hints but doesn't pinpoint the time, so students of the matter (Egyptologists, historians, theologians, whatever) can only guess, usually depending on which hint any of them think is most important.

 

[Josiah]

I need some help here from an LCMS perspective. Does anybody have knowledge of the Bible’s timeline of Exodus and Egyptian chronology? The dates Egyptologists give don’t line up with the Bible. Is the Bible wrong or were the Egyptians wrong and please give the reasons why or links to those reasons.

There is not one word in the Lutheran Confessions on this issue.



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[Faith]

There is not one word in the Lutheran Confessions on this issue.



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I know that, but that wasn’t my question.

 

[Faith]

What Egyptians? What timeline?

For starters,

The Exodus​

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This article is about the events related in the Bible. For the second book of the Bible, see Book of Exodus. For other uses, see Exodus (disambiguation).

Departure of the Israelites (David Roberts, 1829)
The Exodus (Hebrew: יציאת מצרים, Yeẓi’at Miẓrayim: lit. 'Departure from Egypt'[a]) is the founding mythThe Exodus - Wikipedia of the Israelites whose narrative is spread over four books of the Torah (or Pentateuch, corresponding to the first five books of the Bible), namely Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy. The majority of modern scholars date the composition of the Torah to the Middle Persian Period (5th century BCE).[1] Some of the traditions contributing to this narrative are older, since allusions to the story are made by 8th-century BCE prophetssuch as Amos and Hosea.[2]
The consensus of modern scholars is that the Pentateuch does not give an accurate account of the origins of the Israelites, who appear instead to have formed as an entity in the central highlands of Canaan in the late second millennium BCE from the indigenous Canaanite culture.[3][4][5] Most modern scholars believe that the story of the Exodus has some historical basis, but that any such basis has little resemblance to the story told in the Bible.[6][7]
The biblical Exodus is central in Judaism. It is recounted daily in Jewish prayers and celebrated in festivals such as Passover. Early Christians saw the Exodus as a typological prefiguration of resurrection and salvation by Jesus. The narrative has also resonated with various groups in more recent centuries, such as among the early American settlers fleeing religious persecution in Europe, and among African Americans striving for freedom and civil rights.[8][9]

Biblical presentation of the Exodus​

It tells a story of Israelite enslavement and eventual departure from Egypt, revelations at biblical Mount Sinai, and wanderings in the wilderness up to the borders of Canaan.[10] Its message is that the Israelites were delivered from slavery by Yahweh their god, and therefore belong to him by covenant.[11]

Narrative​

Israel in Egypt (Edward Poynter, 1867)
The story of the Exodus is told in the first half of Exodus, with the remainder recounting the 1st year

What Egyptians? What timeline?

 

[Faith]

The Exodus - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

This is for starters. There are lots of websites about this topic.

Science | AAAS

www.science.org

Egypt Chronology

Egyptian chronology can be challenging for creationists.

creation.com

 

[Josiah]

I know that, but that wasn’t my question.

The Lutheran Confessions ARE the official doctrinal position of the LCMS.

Now, you may find Sunday School teachers in the LCMS who have various opinions about pretty much everything (including the best recipe for meatloaf) but those are not the doctrine of the LCMS.


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[Faith]

The Lutheran Confessions ARE the official doctrinal position of the LCMS.

Now, you may find Sunday School teachers in the LCMS who have various opinions about pretty much everything (including the best recipe for meatloaf) but those are not the doctrine of the LCMS.


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Are there Christian Egyptologists who believe their timelines match up with the Bible? (Recipe for meatloaf, LOL).

 

[Albion]

I need some help here from an LCMS perspective. Does anybody have knowledge of the Bible’s timeline of Exodus and Egyptian chronology? The dates Egyptologists give don’t line up with the Bible. Is the Bible wrong or were the Egyptians wrong and please give the reasons why or links to those reasons.

Let's try again.

There is no "LCMS perspective" on this issue. The LCMS's position is that there was an Exodus as described in the Bible, not including when it exactly occurred.

Which Egyptologists have dated the Exodus, and what date did each give? What indicates that this could be the correct date? There are different guesses, but the Bible itself does not state in which year the Exodus occurred.

 

[Faith]

Let's try again.

There is no "LCMS perspective" on this issue. The LCMS's position is that there was an Exodus as described in the Bible, not including when it exactly occurred.

Which Egyptologists have dated the Exodus, and what date did each give? What indicates that this could be the correct date? This is different from a listing of the dates of rule for the various Pharoahs.

When did the Exodus from Egypt happen?

Most scholars who accept a historical core of the exodus date this possible exodus group to the thirteenth century BCE at the time of Ramses II, with some instead dating it to the twelfth century BCE at the time of Ramses III.

(just copied that from something I googled. I think there are various dates proposed).

 

[Faith]

Let's try again.

There is no "LCMS perspective" on this issue. The LCMS's position is that there was an Exodus as described in the Bible, not including when it exactly occurred.

Which Egyptologists have dated the Exodus, and what date did each give? What indicates that this could be the correct date? There are different guesses, but the Bible itself does not state in which year the Exodus occurred.

So are you saying that the LCMS has no official position on when it occurred, just that it DID occur?

 

[Albion]

When did the Exodus from Egypt happen?

No one knows. There are only educated guesses, based largely upon little snippets of information (that I called "hints") found in the Bible account. The guesses range widely.

Most scholars who accept a historical core of the exodus date this possible exodus group to the thirteenth century BCE at the time of Ramses II, with some instead dating it to the twelfth century BCE at the time of Ramses III.

(just copied that from something I googled)

And others put it as far back as the 16th or even 17th century, so the span of time of the estimates given by only the particular people we've referred to here is as much as 300 years and if we include other people's guesses, several centuries more.

 

[Albion]

So are you saying that the LCMS has no official position on when it occurred, just that it DID occur?

Yes. And as your quick Google search showed, there is not even an agreed-upon controversy, as though there's an either-or argument between two different theories. There are, in fact, a number of different guesses that have been advanced by different researchers for different reasons.

 

[Faith]

Yes. And as your quick Google search showed, there is not even an agreed-upon controversy, as though there's an either-or argument between two different theories. There are, in fact, a number of different guesses that have been advanced by different researchers for different reasons.

My pastor thinks that there are Christian and Jewish Egyptologists whose timelines line up with the Bible.

 

[Albion]

My pastor thinks that there are Christian and Jewish Egyptologists whose timelines line up with the Bible.

With WHAT that's from the Bible? Chapter and verse, please.

Let's use a comparison in order to illustrate the problem with this stuff--

When was Christ crucified? Does the Bible agree with that?

Well, some Christian researchers will say it was in AD 29. Others have said it was in AD 30. Others have said it was in AD 31. Others have said that it was AD 33. EACH OF THEM POINTED TO SOME ITEM OF INFORMATION IN THE BIBLE which made up their mind about which was the correct date. They all just didn't choose the same item.

All those people believed that Bible account of the events surrounding the birth of Christ and the crucifixion of Christ is correct, but they disagreed on which piece of information in the Bible is the most meaningful when setting a date for those events.

 

[Faith]

With WHAT that's from the Bible? Chapter and verse, please.

All of Exodus. We were talking in general. Generally the accepted date was 1446 BC I think.

 

[Albion]

With WHAT that's from the Bible? Chapter and verse, please.

We all agree that Exodus recounts the event. Is that all you wanted to know? We thought that you wanted to know when it happened.

All of Exodus. We were talking in general. Generally the accepted date was 1446 BC I think.

There is no "accepted date." The year 1446 is one of the more popular ones, though.

 

[Faith]

We all agree that Exodus recounts the event. Is that all you wanted to know? We thought that you wanted to know when it happened.

There is no "accepted date." The year 1446 is one of the more popular ones, though.

i wanted to know if the LCMS believes it really occurred based on the fact that Egyptologists differ from the Bible on the timeline.

 

[Josiah]

When did the Exodus from Egypt happen?

The Bible doesn't say.
The Lutheran Confessions do not say.
The LCMS does not say.

Simple.



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