Common Figure of Speech?

[Lees]

So far there have been none who have visited this topic, but you never know, there could be someone looking in in the future.



Account how?


Actually, only one scripture (Mark 16:9 as it is translated in the KJV and similar versions) places the resurrection on the first day of the week. And even that verse is in question with regard to its authenticity.



So then you're saying it is true that the Messiah was employing common figure of speech or colloquial language of the period - its just that you can't come up with examples to support it.



I would if they were actually legitimate examples.



I most certainly do. What have I written that makes you think otherwise?


Please explain how this topic projects atheism.

Ignore the strike through, I don't know how it got there.

So far you have presented none period. In other words, until you do, this question and riddle of yours is just that...yours. So again, give me an example of a Christian believer who says what you have said. The book or the link. Your the one concerned about it. Surely you have a source in mind. Don't be scared. Perhaps someone could help you out that are new to the forum. Some other atheist somewhere.

I just told you how Christians account for it. Jesus said it. (Matt. 12:40). Ask me again, I will tell you the same thing.

(Mark 16:9) is part of the Bible, the Word of God. Just as is (Luke 24:1-7). Jesus rose on the first day of the week. The third day. See? You're not looking for answers. You're looking to express your unbelief. Your atheism.

No. I'm not saying Jesus was employing what you call 'common or colloquialspeech'. I am saying Jesus said it. And that makes it true. Just as Jonah was three days and nights in the belly of the whale, so was Jesus in the heart of the earth. Straight forward.

Please. Clean up your posts. It's embarrassing.

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[Joshua1Eight]

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That is an issue for a different topic.

My apologies. Remind me again what the topic is, if you would be so kind, good sir. My mind is not as good as it once was now that I'm in my old age.

 

[rstrats]

My apologies. Remind me again what the topic is, if you would be so kind, good sir. My mind is not as good as it once was now that I'm in my old age.

I know what you mean as I'm there as well.

. The Messiah said that He would be three days and three nights in the "heart of the earth"

. There are those who think that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with the resurrection taking place on the 1st day of the week.

. Of those, there are some who think that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb.

. A 6th day of the week crucifixion/1st day of the week resurrection allows for only 2 nights to be involved with His time in the tomb.

. To account for the lack of a 3rd night, there may be some of those mentioned above who say that the Messiah was employing common figure of speech/colloquial language.

. I wonder if anyone who falls in that group of believers could provide examples to support that belief of commonality; i.e., instances where a daytime or a night time was forecast or said to be involved with an event when no part of the daytime and/or no part of the night time could have occurred?

 

[Stravinsk]

@rstrats , if there were examples of this type of reckoning, we'd have heard it by now. No apologist I am aware of can point to any. They usually just make a claim that "part of a day/night" refers to a full day/night in "Hebrew/Jewish reckoning" and expect that to be good enough to quell doubts.

Here is the salient fact of ALL holy religious days, regardless of religion:

Not one of them can be found within a continually cycling 7 day week without the aid of mankind, or mankind's time reckoning devices. In other words, if one banged one's head and found themself on a desert island without any time devices or ways to communicate with the outside world, and having forgotten the day - how do you (as a Christian) find your Sunday? How do you - as a Jew - find your Saturday? How do you - as a Muslim - find your Friday?

You can't.

That is why God wrote a time-piece into the heavens.

 

[rstrats]

@rstrats , if there were examples of this type of reckoning, we'd have heard it by now.

But you never know. There could be someone new visiting this topic in the future who has examples.

 

[Lees]

But you never know. There could be someone new visiting this topic in the future who has examples.

He would have to be an emptyheaded idiot to follow your riddle that plays to you only.

Please.

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[rstrats]

He would have to be an emptyheaded idiot to follow your riddle

To what riddle are you referring?

 

[Lees]

To what riddle are you referring?

Go back and read posts #(1-206).

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[rstrats]

Go back and read posts #(1-206).

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I didn't see a riddle. What do you have in mind?

 

[Lees]

I didn't see a riddle. What do you have in mind?

Go back and reread. (1-206).

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[rstrats]

Perhaps someone new looking in may know of examples.

 

[rstrats]

Go back and reread. (1-206).

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I still don't see to what you're referring.

 

[rstrats]

And remember, the "someone new" needs to be someone who believes the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with a 1st day of the week resurrection, and who thinks that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb, and who tries to explain the lack of a 3rd night by saying that the Messiah was employing common figure of speech/colloquial language of the period.

 

[Albion]

And remember, the "someone new" needs to be someone who believes the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with a 1st day of the week resurrection, and who thinks that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb, and who tries to explain the lack of a 3rd night by saying that the Messiah was employing common figure of speech/colloquial language of the period.

It's a fair question, but I suggest that some of the wording that is used misleads people who are interested in the topic. We hear "figure of speech, " but it's not really what we understand by that phrase. Rather, what is meant is "in Hebrew usage."

And then it is also misleading to make the entire issue be based on that one verse in Matthew, when there are a number of other verses that use language which is different and do not say "three days" exactly.

As for "examples" and other relevant information, I recommend putting the question into any search engine and you will find a wealth of information that adds up to "parts of three days" or "on the third day" and explains the whole history of how days were counted in the Talmud, etc.

 

[rstrats]

It's a fair question, but I suggest that some of the wording that is used misleads people who are interested in the topic. We hear "figure of speech, " but it's not really what we understand by that phrase. Rather, what is meant is "in Hebrew usage."

How would you word it? The topic is about the commonality of saying that a daytime or a night time would be involved with a event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could be involved. I don't see how that is misleading.

And then it is also misleading to make the entire issue be based on that one verse in Matthew, when there are a number of other verses that use language which is different and do not say "three days" exactly.

I don't see how it's misleading. If someone believes that the "heart of the earth" mentioned in Matthew is referring to the tomb, and believes the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with the resurrection taking place on the 1st day of the week, and tries to explain the lack of a 3rd night time within that timeframe by saying that the Messiah was employing common usage of the period they would have to know of examples in order to legitimately say it was common.

 

[Albion]

How would you word it? The topic is about the commonality of saying that a daytime or a night time would be involved with a event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could be involved. I don't see how that is misleading.

Well, parts of three days and three nights ARE involved, so I'd say that "Hebrew Usage" is a better way of approaching the matter than simply saying ''a figure of speech."

I don't see how it's misleading. If someone believes that the "heart of the earth" mentioned in Matthew is referring to the tomb, and believes the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with the resurrection taking place on the 1st day of the week, and tries to explain the lack of a 3rd night time within that timeframe by saying that the Messiah was employing common usage of the period they would have to know of examples in order to legitimately say it was common.

 

[rstrats]

Well, parts of three days and three nights ARE involved..."

But not with a 6th day of the week crucifixion/1st day of the week resurrection.

 

[Albion]

But not with a 6th day of the week crucifixion/1st day of the week resurrection.

Friday crucifixion, Sunday resurrection. Three.

 

[rstrats]

Friday crucifixion, Sunday resurrection. Three.

You said parts of three nights. There's no part of a third night with a 6th day of the week crucifixion/1st day of the week resurrection.

 

[Albion]

You said parts of three nights. There's no part of a third night with a 6th day of the week crucifixion/1st day of the week resurrection.

Not as we in the Western world today count these things, no. That's why I said "Hebrew usage" is the better way to look at it (and to describe these events).