Did Jesus die for Judas? Or the Pharisees God blinded so they could not believe?

[1689Dave]

What do you think?

“Jesus answered, He it is, to whom I shall give a sop, when I have dipped it. And when he had dipped the sop, he gave it to Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon. And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly.” John 13:26–27 (KJV 1900)

“That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.” Acts 1:25 (KJV 1900)

“But though he had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on him: That the saying of Esaias the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed? Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again, He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them. These things said Esaias, when he saw his glory, and spake of him.” John 12:37–41 (KJV 1900)

“Make the heart of this people fat, And make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; Lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, And understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.” Isaiah 6:10 (KJV 1900)

“And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:” Matthew 13:14 (KJV 1900)

“For this people’s heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.” Matthew 13:15 (KJV 1900)

“For they considered not the miracle of the loaves: for their heart was hardened.” Mark 6:52 (KJV 1900)

“And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.” Luke 8:10 (KJV 1900)

“And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; And see ye indeed, but perceive not.” Isaiah 6:9 (KJV 1900)

“And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:” Matthew 13:14 (KJV 1900)

“He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.” Matthew 13:11 (KJV 1900)

“But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given.” Matthew 19:11 (KJV 1900)

“Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive:” Acts 28:26 (KJV 1900)

 

[1689Dave]

But Paul also says: “What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:” Romans 9:22 (KJV 1900)

If fitted for destruction, how can they be fitted to salvation? Wasn't Judas fitted to destruction?

 

[Josiah]

@1689Dave

The Bible repeatedly, undeniably and verbatim states that Jesus died for everyone:

"So that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone.' Hebrews 2:9

"For the love of Christ controls us, because we have concluded this: that one has died for all." 2 Corinthians 5:14

"He died for all." 2 Corinthians 5:15

"Who gave himself as a ransom for all." 1 Timothy 2:6


and many more like them. And not one verse that states "Jesus did not die for all but rather only for some unknown few." And there is no verse that states, "Jesus died for everyone but not Judas."

But or course, not only is the Cross essential for personal justification but also faith in His death for them:

"For by grace you have been saved through faith; and this is not your own doing but is the gift of God." Ephesians 2:8

"For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believes in him will not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16

"God justifies him who has faith in Christ Jesus." Romans 3:26

"Everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.” Acts 10:43

“Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved." Acts 16:31

There is no verse that states, "If you are one of the lucky few for whom Christ died (and you won't be told if you are) then you are saved - you can spit in his face, denounce him and reject his Cross or believe it just doesn't matter because faith don't matter for nothing."


It is generally accepted that while Jesus died for Judas, Judas did not have faith. Ergo, Judas was not personally justified.


But since you stubbornly adhere to the heresy that faith is irrelevant to personal justification, you are stuck with the horrible invention of Limited Atonement, that Jesus did NOT die for all as the Bible so often verbatim states since not all are personally justified. You are left with a limited Christ instead of limited faith, with not knowing for whom Jesus died since there is no list of the lucky few and there is no statement of who He DID die for since you reject what the Bible states, "all."




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[1689Dave]

Even those God appointed to destruction?

 

[1689Dave]

@1689Dave

The Bible repeatedly, undeniably and verbatim states that Jesus died for everyone:

"So that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone.' Hebrews 2:9

"For the love of Christ controls us, because we have concluded this: that one has died for all." 2 Corinthians 5:14

"He died for all." 2 Corinthians 5:15

"Who gave himself as a ransom for all." 1 Timothy 2:6


and many more like them. And not one verse that states "Jesus did not die for all but rather only for some unknown few." And there is no verse that states, "Jesus died for everyone but not Judas."

But or course, not only is the Cross essential for personal justification but also faith in His death for them:

"For by grace you have been saved through faith; and this is not your own doing but is the gift of God." Ephesians 2:8

"For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believes in him will not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16

"God justifies him who has faith in Christ Jesus." Romans 3:26

"Everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.” Acts 10:43

“Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved." Acts 16:31

There is no verse that states, "If you are one of the lucky few for whom Christ died (and you won't be told if you are) then you are saved - you can spit in his face, denounce him and reject his Cross or believe it just doesn't matter because faith don't matter for nothing."


It is generally accepted that while Jesus died for Judas, Judas did not have faith. Ergo, Judas was not personally justified.


But since you stubbornly adhere to the heresy that faith is irrelevant to personal justification, you are stuck with the horrible invention of Limited Atonement, that Jesus did NOT die for all as the Bible so often verbatim states since not all are personally justified. You are left with a limited Christ instead of limited faith, with not knowing for whom Jesus died since there is no list of the lucky few and there is no statement of who He DID die for since you reject what the Bible states, "all."




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This is another false accusation (a lie) based lack of understanding. Faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit, a soul must have indwelling before faith, "the fruit of the Holy Spirit" can exist. So what you call faith is merely intellectual assent that cannot save. God must supernaturally save you before you can genuinely believe.