Proof of the Trinity in Scripture.

[1689Dave]

1. There is only one God (e.g., Rom. 3:30)

2. The Father is God (e.g., John 6:27)

3. Jesus the Son is God (e.g., John 20:28; Rom. 9:5; 2 Peter 1:1)

4. The Holy Spirit is God (e.g., Acts 5:3–5)

5. These Three are distinct persons (e.g., John 14:16–17)

On the Mount of tranfiguration

“While he was still speaking, suddenly a bright cloud covered them, and a voice from the cloud said: This is My beloved Son. I take delight in Him. Listen to Him! When the disciples heard it, they fell facedown and were terrified. Then Jesus came up, touched them, and said, “Get up; don’t be afraid.”” (Matthew 17:5–7) (HCSB)

“For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty. For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.” (2 Peter 1:16–18) (KJV 1900)

Jesus' Baptism

“And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” (Matthew 3:16–17) (KJV 1900)

Stephen's death

“But Stephen, filled by the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven. He saw God’s glory, with Jesus standing at the right hand of God, and he said, “Look! I see the heavens opened and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God!”” (Acts 7:55–56) (HCSB)

Baptism in Jesus’ name, Trinitarian style.

The Command: “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:” Matthew 28:19 (KJV 1900)

The Interpretation: “(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)” Acts 8:16 (KJV 1900)

“And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.” Acts 10:48 (KJV 1900)

“When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.” Acts 19:5 (KJV 1900)

“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.” Acts 2:38 (KJV 1900)

“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?” Romans 6:3 (KJV 1900)

Why did it change from the Apostle's method?


The baptismal formula was changed from the Apostles’ baptism in the name of Jesus Christ to the words Father, Son, and Holy Spirit by the Catholic Church in the second century.


Baptism p263 Catholic Encyclopedia:

…”of this sacrament, the act of baptism must be expressed, and the matter and form be united to leave no doubt of the meaning of the ceremony. In addition to the necessary word “baptize”, or its equivalent, it is also obligatory to mention the separate persons of the Holy Trinity.”

The result? The Pope undermined Christ’s intention and the Apostles’ authority and gave it to himself. All of Christendom follows the Catholic formula instead of scripture on the matter.

 

[1689Dave]

Jesus, the personal name of the Trinity in the NT.

God our salvation anointed = Jesus Christ defined. God (the trinity) was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself.

Lord in the LXX = YHWH. The Lord Jesus Christ = YHWH in the NT. Baptize them in the Name (singular) of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit = they baptized them in the name of Jesus Christ. In Him dwells the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

“Now I want to remind you, although you once fully knew it, that Jesus, who saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe.” Jude 5 (ESV)

“and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they were all drinking from the spiritual rock that followed them, and the rock was Christ.” (1 Corinthians 10:4)

“Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.” 1 Corinthians 10:9 (KJV 1900)

“Jesus Christ” is a composite name made up of the personal name “Jesus” (from Gk Iēsous, which transliterates Heb/Aram yēšû (a)ʿ, a late form of Hebrew yĕhôšûaʿ, the meaning of which is “YHWH is salvation” or “YHWH saves/has saved”) and the title, assimilated in early Christianity to Jesus as a name, “Christ” (from Gk Christos, which translates Heb māšı̂aḥ and Aram mĕšı̂ḥāʾ, signifying “anointed” and referring in the context of eschatological expectation to the royal “son of David”). The name “Jesus Christ” thus binds together the historic figure Jesus with the messianic role and status that early Christian faith attributed to him. In Jesus’ own lifetime, his name, since it was common in Israel, called for a specifier: “Jesus the Galilean” (Matt 26:69; cf.21:11), or, more often, “Jesus of Nazareth” or “Jesus the Nazarean.”

Meyer, B. F. (1992). Jesus (Person): Jesus Christ. In D. N. Freedman (Ed.), The Anchor Yale Bible Dictionary (Vol. 3, p. 773). New York: Doubleday.

 

[1689Dave]

Jesus, the Trinity in the Old Testament.

“Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; From the time that it was, there am I: And now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me.” (Isaiah 48:16) (KJV 1900)


Here's more scriptural proof that Jesus Christ is the personal name of God [the Trinity] in the NT.


Isaiah 40:3

3 The voice of one that crieth, Prepare ye in the wilderness the way of Jehovah; make level in the desert a highway for our God.

Matthew 3:3

3 For this is he that was spoken of through Isaiah the prophet, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make ye ready the way of the Lord, Make his paths straight.

Numbers 21:6

6 And Jehovah sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people, and much people of Israel died.

1 Corinthians 10:9

9 Neither let us make trial of the Lord, as some of them made trial, and perished by the serpents.

Genesis 2:4

4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that Jehovah God made earth and heaven.

John 1:3

3 All things were made through him [Jesus Christ], and without him was not anything made that hath been made.

 

[MoreCoffee]

The line of argument you've assembled is rather similar to the "Jesus Only" Pentecostal argument about baptism in the name of Jesus. They, sadly, descended into modalism, Patripassianism, and hence into anti-trinitarianism. I do not say that you have taken the same route but it is a danger and I advise caution.

In Christian theology, historically patripassianism (as it is referred to in the Western church) is a version of Sabellianism in the Eastern church (and a version of modalism, modalistic monarchianism, or modal monarchism). Modalism is the belief that God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit are three different modes or aspects of one monadic God, as perceived by the believer, rather than three distinct persons within the Godhead – that there are no real or substantial differences between the three, such that the identity of the Spirit or the Son is that of the Father.[1]​

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In the West, a version of this belief was known pejoratively as patripassianism by its critics (from Latin patri-, "father", and passio, "suffering"), because the teaching required that since God the Father had become directly incarnate in Christ, the Father literally sacrificed himself on the cross.[2]​

(Wikipedia)​

Matthew 28:19-20 is the reason for Catholic and Christian use of "I baptise you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit". This is a use of "name" in the same sort of way that "name" is used in the Lord's prayer "Let your name be sanctified". The apparent intention is to teach that it is God's nature, his essence that is invoked in both cases. It is similar to Mary's song of praise (the Magnificat) in which it is written "Holy is your name", which is not so much an assertion that God has "Holy" as a personal name as it is an invocation of God's essence under the characteristic of holiness; thus, proclaiming that everything about God is holy.

I urge you to be perfectly clear in your statements that you do in fact believe in the most Blessed Holy Trinity and thus avoid any misconstructions on your teaching.

 

[1689Dave]

The line of argument you've assembled is rather similar to the "Jesus Only" Pentecostal argument about baptism in the name of Jesus. They, sadly, descended into modalism, Patripassianism, and hence into anti-trinitarianism. I do not say that you have taken the same route but it is a danger and I advise caution.

In Christian theology, historically patripassianism (as it is referred to in the Western church) is a version of Sabellianism in the Eastern church (and a version of modalism, modalistic monarchianism, or modal monarchism). Modalism is the belief that God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit are three different modes or aspects of one monadic God, as perceived by the believer, rather than three distinct persons within the Godhead – that there are no real or substantial differences between the three, such that the identity of the Spirit or the Son is that of the Father.[1]​

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In the West, a version of this belief was known pejoratively as patripassianism by its critics (from Latin patri-, "father", and passio, "suffering"), because the teaching required that since God the Father had become directly incarnate in Christ, the Father literally sacrificed himself on the cross.[2]​

(Wikipedia)​

Matthew 28:19-20 is the reason for Catholic and Christian use of "I baptise you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit". This is a use of "name" in the same sort of way that "name" is used in the Lord's prayer "Let your name be sanctified". The apparent intention is to teach that it is God's nature, his essence that is invoked in both cases. It is similar to Mary's song of praise (the Magnificat) in which it is written "Holy is your name", which is not so much an assertion that God has "Holy" as a personal name as it is an invocation of God's essence under the characteristic of holiness; thus, proclaiming that everything about God is holy.

I urge you to be perfectly clear in your statements that you do in fact believe in the most Blessed Holy Trinity and thus avoid any misconstructions on your teaching.

The only method of Baptism in scripture is Baptism in the name of Jesus Christ. That puts the heretical Pentecostals closer to the truth than any church you can think of. But I'm a Trinitarian falsely accused for following scripture, the ONLY method of baptism it spells out clearly. Who is really Baptised on this board?

 

[MoreCoffee]

The only method of Baptism in scripture is Baptism in the name of Jesus Christ.

Odd that you typed that. Matthew 28:19-20 is about baptism and it is not explicit about "the name of Jesus". But you already know that.

I cannot join you on the proposition that baptism is in the name of Jesus only. That's a good road to heresy. So I will stick with the form used in the Catholic Church -

BAPTISM​

97. The celebrant invites the family to the font and questions the parents and godparents:

Celebrant:​

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Is it your will that N. should be baptized in the faith of the Church, which we have all professed with you?​

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Parents and Godparents: It is.​

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He baptizes the child, saying:​

N., I baptize you in the name of the Father,​

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He immerses the child or pours water upon it.​

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and of the Son,​

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He immerses the child or pours water upon it a second time.​

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and of the Holy Spirit.​

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He immerses the child or pours water upon it a third time.​

 

[1689Dave]

Odd that you typed that. Matthew 28:19-20 is about baptism and it is not explicit about "the name of Jesus". But you already know that.

I cannot join you on the proposition that baptism is in the name of Jesus only. That's a good road to heresy. So I will stick with the form used in the Catholic Church -

BAPTISM​

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97. The celebrant invites the family to the font and questions the parents and godparents:​

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Celebrant:​

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Is it your will that N. should be baptized in the faith of the Church, which we have all professed with you?​

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Parents and Godparents: It is.​

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He baptizes the child, saying:​

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N., I baptize you in the name of the Father,​

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He immerses the child or pours water upon it.​

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and of the Son,​

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He immerses the child or pours water upon it a second time.​

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and of the Holy Spirit.​

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He immerses the child or pours water upon it a third time.​

Here's how it works. Jesus tells the Apostles to baptize in the name (singular) of the Father, Son, And Holy Spirit. So what do they do? They baptize in the name (singular) of Jesus Christ. Did they get it wrong? Of course not. Scripture says many times over, the personal name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is Jesus Christ. But people are so indoctrinated with the Pope's method, they cannot accept the truth of scripture. The Trinity wears that name.

The real problem is, entire Churches are clueless when it comes to baptism. And this proves they are inept at getting things right. That's why they will even lie or falsely accuse a Christian that knows better, to make this thing go away.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Here's how it works. Jesus tells the Apostles to baptize in the name (singular) of the Father, Son, And Holy Spirit. So what do they do? They baptize in the name (singular) of Jesus Christ. Did they get it wrong? Of course not. Scripture says many times over, the personal name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is Jesus Christ. But people are so indoctrinated with the Pope's method, they cannot accept the truth of scripture. The Trinity wears that name.

The real problem is, entire Churches are clueless when it comes to baptism. And this proves they are inept at getting things right. That's why they will even lie or falsely accuse a Christian that knows better, to make this thing go away.

@1689Dave, this is what you get when you pursue religion on your own. You create doctrines that are eccentric and you have no one to advise, correct, share the burden, and learn wisdom from. You're convinced that you have the truth but you have no one that you will listen to who can correct your mistakes. It is a lonely road you're on, yet it is wide and very spacious and filled with crowds who are equally lonely as they take it to its inevitable end. In truth, there really is no salvation outside the Church - that is to say, there is no salvation exterior to the body of Christ.

 

[1689Dave]

@1689Dave, this is what you get when you pursue religion on your own. You create doctrines that are eccentric and you have no one to advise, correct, share the burden, and learn wisdom from. You're convinced that you have the truth but you have no one that you will listen to who can correct your mistakes. It is a lonely road you're on, yet it is wide and very spacious and filled with crowds who are equally lonely as they take it to its inevitable end. In truth, there really is no salvation outside the Church - that is to say, there is no salvation exterior to the body of Christ.

I have a vast library in the thousands on my computer alone, not to mention the hard copies and rare books I digitize. I have been studying theology since the mid-1970s. So going on the principle that the truth does not change and today's churches have strayed from their historic moorings, I feel there is safety in the multitude of these councilors.

Every church in my area is in a state of apostasy.