Dave,
Since you came here, you have basically ONE issue. So, generally, no matter what the thread, you bring to your issue.
As you and everyone knows, the view your friends, the radical, extremist, ladder-day Calvinists gave the moniker of "Universal Atonement" to, is this: Jesus died for all. Those 4 words. That's it, that's all.
You seem to not like that moniker. Blame those radical Calvinists you echo, they invented the monikers for the two opposing views.
As you have been told - MANY times, over many weeks, in numerous threads, the early Christians, the Church Council, the Orthodox Church, the Catholic Church, the Anglican Church, the Lutheran Church and more teach that Jesus died for all BUT they never use the Calvinist invented moniker in their statements, declarations or Confessions. I stated the Catholic embrace of this in CCC 605 and you noted it just states the view, not the Calvinist name for it. And I quoted the Lutheran Confessions and you read the view but didn't see the Calvinist moniker they invented for it. The doctrine is this: Jesus died for all.
Which is why this topic isn't about the monikers the radical, extremist, latter-day Calvinists you echo gave to the two views, IT'S BEEN ABOUT THE TWO VIEWS.
Here are the two competing views:
1. Jesus died for all people.
Here are just a few of the Scriptures that state this view. This view simply echos them, verbatim.
Hebrews 2:9 But we see him who for a little while was made lower than the angels, namely Jesus, crowned with glory and honor because of the suffering of death, so that by the grace of God he might
taste death for everyone.
2 Corinthians 5:14 For the love of Christ controls us, because we have concluded this: that one has died for all
2 Corinthians 5:15 And he died for all
1 Timothy 2:6 Who gave himself as a
ransom for all.
and many more just like the above.
+ This view does NOT hold that all individuals have personal justification since that requires a second aspect, the divine gift of faith. BOTH the CROSS and FAITH are 100% the work and gift of God and together they bring justification (narrow sense) to the individual.
+ The Catholic Church, Lutheran Church and Anglican churches have condemned Pelagianism and all its forms (it's a tad fuzzy in the EOC, lol) So this teaching does not hold that we save ourselves, it does not denounce original sin, it does not repudiate faith. It states this: Jesus died for all. It echos those words from the Bible. It doesn't explain anything, it doesn't deny anything, it affirms one point: Jesus died for all.
It is the view of
John Calvin
Martin Luther (at least after he became Lutheran)
The Church Fathers
The Church Council of 859
The Orthodox Church
The Catholic Church
The Anglican Church
The Lutheran Church
2. No, Jesus did NOT die for all people but ONLY, EXCLUSIVELY, SOLELY for some unknown few.
Here are the Scriptures that state this view:
Crickets.
+ There is a verse that says "Jesus died for the Elect" but none that say ONLY for the Elect. And there are verses that state that Jesus died for us (Christians) but none that state ONLY for us (indeed, see
1 John 2:2). And without the "only" the point is unsubstantiated. Apologists of this view must employ a silly logical fallacy, one illustrated by this: "Ford makes Mustangs, ergo Ford ONLY makes Mustangs." Or "Bob loves his wife, ergo he ONLY loves his wife and not his kids." Even my four year old son can see the absurdity of the logical fallacy radical, extremist Calvinists use as their apologetic for this invention. The whole apologetic has not one Scripture that states their point. It's based entirely on a logical fallacy.
+ And of course if this horrible invention is true, then no one can know if Jesus' death is for THEM (odds are, it's not). And no way to know if their trust in that death for THEM means anything at all since they can't know if it was for them (probably not).
Radical Calvinists invented this dogma in response to Arminianists (who embrace some forms of synergism and Pelagianism) and necessitates the opposition having those views. It doesn't work at all on people who aren't Arminianists. It's based on NOT ONE VERSE in Scripture (so much for Sola Scriptura) and on a fallacy that permits them to INSERT the word "only" into texts, the logical fallacy that is the entire basis of their apologetic is like this: "Ford makes Mustangs, ergo Ford ONLY makes Mustangs." Their entire apologetic rests on this logical fallacy. And the absence of any Scripture that states it.
We all know you have this remarkably, incredibly silly idea that questions are substantiation. And that you just employ a plethora of logical fallacies and heaven knows endless red-herrings, constantly trying to CHANGE the view of "Jesus died for all" into almost anything but that, I'm surprised you haven't yet claimed the doctrine is that the Moon is made of cream cheese (it would be as truthful as what you've been claiming), always changing the topic to things NOT being taught in this doctrine - and we know why, you can't defend your position and can't show the actual position we are presenting is wrong.
This is the view of
A tiny number of radical Calvinists who actually disagreed with Calvin on this.
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