Are you saved because you believe? Or do you believe because you are saved?

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Ever cult says the same.

Every Christian says it.

 

[1689Dave]

Every Christian says it.

As I say.....

 

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As I say.....

God says ...

And this is the Promise, which he himself has promised to us: Eternal Life. I have written these things to you, because of those who would seduce you. But as for you, let the Anointing that you have received from him abide in you. And so, you have no need of anyone to teach you. For his Anointing teaches you about everything, and it is the truth, and it is not a lie. And just as his Anointing has taught you, abide in him. ​

1 John 2:25-27

 

[1689Dave]

God says ...

And this is the Promise, which he himself has promised to us: Eternal Life. I have written these things to you, because of those who would seduce you. But as for you, let the Anointing that you have received from him abide in you. And so, you have no need of anyone to teach you. For his Anointing teaches you about everything, and it is the truth, and it is not a lie. And just as his Anointing has taught you, abide in him. ​

1 John 2:25-27

So you think you have this going for you since you say what the Pope would have you say? What about the murderous rampages of the Papacy for millions not accepting his thoughts? Why would I believe you?

 

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So you think you have this going for you since you say what the Pope would have you say? What about the murderous rampages of the Papacy for millions not accepting his thoughts? Why would I believe you?

I shall leave fanciful flights of pseudo-history for you to expound.

I prefer the ineffable plan.

 

[1689Dave]

I shall leave fanciful flights of pseudo-history for you to expound.

I prefer the ineffable plan.

Face it, history verifies it. I think I would also be a victim of some like-minded churches if not for the USA protecting us from institutional churches.

 

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Face it, history verifies it. I think I would also be a victim of some like-minded churches if not for the USA protecting us from institutional churches.

The proverbs warn about your posts.

 

[1689Dave]

The proverbs warn about your posts.

The NT encourages it.

 

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The NT encourages it.

There is one God, one Lord, one faith, one baptism; these we know and have received.

 

[1689Dave]

There is one God, one Lord, one faith, one baptism; these we know and have received.

But the Pope rejected the Apostle's mode of baptism. Usurping their authority. Also, scripture never mentions baptism for anyone but believers by immersion in water. I don't know of any church, including the Baptists that ever got baptism right.

 

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But the Pope rejected the Apostle's mode of baptism. Usurping their authority. Also, scripture never mentions baptism for anyone but believers by immersion in water. I don't know of any church, including the Baptists that ever got baptism right.

We baptise with water, but the one who is to come, who will judge the living and the dead, he is the one who baptises with the baptism that we teach.

 

[1689Dave]

We baptise with water, but the one who is to come, who will judge the living and the dead, he is the one who baptises with the baptism that we teach.

Your method is totally off the rails according to Jesus and the Apostles.

 

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Your method is totally off the rails according to Jesus and the Apostles.

We baptise with the one baptism without which no person shall see God.

 

[1689Dave]

We baptise with the one baptism without which no person shall see God.

But it has nothing to do with baptism according to Jesus and the Apostles.

 

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But it has nothing to do with baptism according to Jesus and the Apostles.

"Jesus responded: "Amen, amen, I say to you, unless one has been reborn by water and the Holy Spirit, he is not able to enter into the kingdom of God."
John 3:5

 

[1689Dave]

"Jesus responded: "Amen, amen, I say to you, unless one has been reborn by water and the Holy Spirit, he is not able to enter into the kingdom of God."
John 3:5

But he also said whoever believes and is baptized (submerged in water) has eternal life. And the apostles did this baptizing believers in the name of Jesus Christ.

 

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But he also said whoever believes and is baptized (submerged in water) has eternal life. And the apostles did this baptizing believers in the name of Jesus Christ.

He said baptise, it is you who wishes to 'translate' that word as submerge. Nearly all of the English bibles I have seen avoid that error in translation because English borrowed the word baptise from the Greek of Jesus' apostles, and it is the habit of English speakers to use the perfectly good word baptise when discussing baptism. So, removing the gloss in the quote you gave, we have whoever believes and is baptized has eternal life. Which is the very thing I wrote only a few minutes ago; namely, "Amen, amen, I say to you, unless one has been reborn by water and the Holy Spirit, he is not able to enter into the kingdom of God."

 

[1689Dave]

He said baptise, it is you who wishes to 'translate' that word as submerge. Nearly all of the English bibles I have seen avoid that error in translation because English borrowed the word baptise from the Greek of Jesus apostles and it is the habit of English speakers to use the perfectly good word baptise when discussing baptism. So, removing the gloss in the quote you gave we have whoever believes and is baptized has eternal life. Which is the very thing I wrote only a few minutes ago; namely, "Amen, amen, I say to you, unless one has been reborn by water and the Holy Spirit, he is not able to enter into the kingdom of God."

The word means to submerge Believers in water

 

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The word means to submerge Believers in water

No, it means baptise. And baptism has a meaning that has nothing whatever to do with submerging anyone.

 

[1689Dave]

No, it means baptise. And baptism has a meaning that has nothing whatever to do with submerging anyone.

Check any valid dictionary of the bible.