1689Dave
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This is an updated version of my post under the name DaveL, 1689Dave, over the past several years.
Back in the day those claiming to know bible prophecy befuddled me. Little did I know how their forecasts came to be. After many failed prophecies about the Lord’s return, first in 1988, one generation after Israel occupied Palestine. And more of the same predictions, all 40 years apart, all failing their predicted time. I began to wonder. And on top of this, many failed predictions about the looming Antichrist. Everyone from Henry Kissinger to Mikhail Gorbachev, with his forehead birthmark being the mark of the beast! I began to question my sanity for listening to them.
It turns out, some say their “pre-trib rapture” platform came from the hallucinations of young Pentecostal Margaret MacDonald, a Scottish lass who in the 1800s was burning up with a fever. Since scripture never mentions it, I can accept this as true. And then picked up by J. Darby and Later C.I. Scofield who wrote of it alongside scripture in his Scofield Reference Bible of the early 1900s.
This became Dispensationalism. A new prophetic framework through which people could relate the bible to current news events. Prophecy buffs worldwide spent many hours gleaning the headlines in search of the Antichrist who already had them twirling on his string as they searched for him.
In fact, this sort of futurism is the result of a plan designed by the Jesuits to offset the Reformers who identified the papacy as the Antichrist. The Jesuits inserted a gap of unlimited time between Daniel’s 69th and 70th weeks (Daniel 9:24ff). Saying the 70th week is on hold until Antichrist arrives.
But in doing this, they turned Jesus who already fulfilled the 70 weeks, into an Antichrist of the distant future. Now more than 2000 years have elapsed. The Jesuits thought by doing this, people would think the Antichrist cannot be the Pope.
It worked having affected a broad swath of Christendom. Placing them into a futuristic mode of reading the bible while missing the present and past fulfillments in prophecy. But the gap, no matter how far into the future, needed a few things.
The original backdrop of the first century had the Roman Empire as the time in which the Kingdom of Christ came. With Jesus turned into Antichrist, a restored Roman Empire would be the time in which Antichrist would come instead. So they prophesied a restored Roman Empire scripture knows nothing about. They also prophesied a rebuilt temple for Antichrist to desecrate. Something that would damn anyone for returning to animal sacrifice after Christ put away sin (Heb. 6ff). They also foretell of another great tribulation already fulfilled in 70AD. And all that belonged to the original consecutive 70th weeks, already fulfilled in the first century.
But this forms much of their prophecy today. Already fulfilled prophecy is now said to have “double fulfillment”. So they predict a restored Roman Empire. A new Temple with animal sacrifices for Antichrist to end and so on. Not realizing they missed it the same way the Pharisees did. The kingdom is spiritual and not the physical they expect. It came when Daniel said it would. They and the Premillennialists still look for it.
And so here we are. The bible scavenger hunt began in the 1800s. Looking for scripture to support this “new way” of reading the bible. A system not based on the bible, but based instead on chopping scripture from its context and combining it to match current headlines. Hal Lindsey says: "The prophecies can be pieced together to make a coherent picture, even though the pieces are scattered in small bits throughout the Old and New Testaments. Hal Lindsey," 'The Late Great Planet Earth' 1970 (Chapter 4)
This includes an imaginary Gap in the 70 weeks the bible never mentions. Again, by chainsawing one text after another from its original setting. And trying to recreate it in the headlines with modern technology. An example is Ezekiel 38 -39 where spears become submarines. Horses become jet planes. And Ezekiel’s stated attempt, to steal Israel’s cattle, becomes oil or any other reason battles happen today.
Now ancient Gog and Magog become Russia. Without any mention of this in scripture. Yet many believe this current wave of false prophecy. Not knowing it comes from the Jesuits of the Counter Reformation to deceive Protestants from knowing the Papacy is the Antichrist.
Back in the day those claiming to know bible prophecy befuddled me. Little did I know how their forecasts came to be. After many failed prophecies about the Lord’s return, first in 1988, one generation after Israel occupied Palestine. And more of the same predictions, all 40 years apart, all failing their predicted time. I began to wonder. And on top of this, many failed predictions about the looming Antichrist. Everyone from Henry Kissinger to Mikhail Gorbachev, with his forehead birthmark being the mark of the beast! I began to question my sanity for listening to them.
It turns out, some say their “pre-trib rapture” platform came from the hallucinations of young Pentecostal Margaret MacDonald, a Scottish lass who in the 1800s was burning up with a fever. Since scripture never mentions it, I can accept this as true. And then picked up by J. Darby and Later C.I. Scofield who wrote of it alongside scripture in his Scofield Reference Bible of the early 1900s.
This became Dispensationalism. A new prophetic framework through which people could relate the bible to current news events. Prophecy buffs worldwide spent many hours gleaning the headlines in search of the Antichrist who already had them twirling on his string as they searched for him.
In fact, this sort of futurism is the result of a plan designed by the Jesuits to offset the Reformers who identified the papacy as the Antichrist. The Jesuits inserted a gap of unlimited time between Daniel’s 69th and 70th weeks (Daniel 9:24ff). Saying the 70th week is on hold until Antichrist arrives.
But in doing this, they turned Jesus who already fulfilled the 70 weeks, into an Antichrist of the distant future. Now more than 2000 years have elapsed. The Jesuits thought by doing this, people would think the Antichrist cannot be the Pope.
It worked having affected a broad swath of Christendom. Placing them into a futuristic mode of reading the bible while missing the present and past fulfillments in prophecy. But the gap, no matter how far into the future, needed a few things.
The original backdrop of the first century had the Roman Empire as the time in which the Kingdom of Christ came. With Jesus turned into Antichrist, a restored Roman Empire would be the time in which Antichrist would come instead. So they prophesied a restored Roman Empire scripture knows nothing about. They also prophesied a rebuilt temple for Antichrist to desecrate. Something that would damn anyone for returning to animal sacrifice after Christ put away sin (Heb. 6ff). They also foretell of another great tribulation already fulfilled in 70AD. And all that belonged to the original consecutive 70th weeks, already fulfilled in the first century.
But this forms much of their prophecy today. Already fulfilled prophecy is now said to have “double fulfillment”. So they predict a restored Roman Empire. A new Temple with animal sacrifices for Antichrist to end and so on. Not realizing they missed it the same way the Pharisees did. The kingdom is spiritual and not the physical they expect. It came when Daniel said it would. They and the Premillennialists still look for it.
And so here we are. The bible scavenger hunt began in the 1800s. Looking for scripture to support this “new way” of reading the bible. A system not based on the bible, but based instead on chopping scripture from its context and combining it to match current headlines. Hal Lindsey says: "The prophecies can be pieced together to make a coherent picture, even though the pieces are scattered in small bits throughout the Old and New Testaments. Hal Lindsey," 'The Late Great Planet Earth' 1970 (Chapter 4)
This includes an imaginary Gap in the 70 weeks the bible never mentions. Again, by chainsawing one text after another from its original setting. And trying to recreate it in the headlines with modern technology. An example is Ezekiel 38 -39 where spears become submarines. Horses become jet planes. And Ezekiel’s stated attempt, to steal Israel’s cattle, becomes oil or any other reason battles happen today.
Now ancient Gog and Magog become Russia. Without any mention of this in scripture. Yet many believe this current wave of false prophecy. Not knowing it comes from the Jesuits of the Counter Reformation to deceive Protestants from knowing the Papacy is the Antichrist.
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