Denominationalism VS nondenominational Churches.

[1689Dave]

Dispensationalism is not an accepted mark of a religious cult.

To some, but Scofield taught damnable heresies and many popular teachers are responsible for much of the innocent bloodshed in the Middle East.

 

[1689Dave]

I'm getting fatigued from typing because of the ones I've offered already! Why don't you consider offering even a single piece of evidence in support of the several false claims you have levelled at various Christian churches in the past few minutes?

First, scripture teaches volumes. You have none to support Institutional churches. Especially of the Monarchical Bishop trend.

 

[Albion]

To some, but Scofield taught damnable heresies and many popular teachers are responsible for much of the innocent bloodshed in the Middle East.

No, dispensationalism is not generally considered by the writers, researchers, and academicians who are concerned with the subject of cults.

And a heresy is not the same as a cult. You are classified as a heretic, but you don't seem, from what I've read, to be a cultist, for example.

 

[1689Dave]

No, dispensationalism is not generally considered by the writers, researchers, and academicians who are concerned with the subject of cults.

And a heresy is not the same as a cult. You are classified as a heretic, but you don't seem, from what I've read, to be a cultist, for example.

They are Premillennial, condemned as heresy in Ephesus and in the Nicene Creed. And you think they are not a cult?

 

[Albion]

First, scripture teaches volumes.

So, you are unable to offer even a little bit of support for the very sensational and false claims you've made??

You have none to support Institutional churches. Especially of the Monarchical Bishop trend.

That isn't what we've been talking about here.

 

[Albion]

They are Premillennial, condemned as heresy in Ephesus and in the Nicene Creed. And you think they are not a cult?

There is a definition for a heresy. And there is one for a cult. These are not interchangeable terms, although the marks of a religious cult are considered to be heresies.

Is any of this helping you?

 

[Albion]

They are Premillennial, condemned as heresy in Ephesus and in the Nicene Creed. And you think they are not a cult?

Dispensationalism is not condemned as heresy in the Nicene Creed. Neither is premillennialism.

 

[1689Dave]

Dispensationalism is not condemned in the Nicene Creed.

Premillennialism is. Christ's kingdom is forever, not 1000 years.

 

[1689Dave]

There is a definition for a heresy. And there is one for a cult. These are not interchangeable terms, although the marks of a religious cult are considered to be heresies.

Is any of this helping you?

Scripture identifies damnable heresies taught by Dispensationalism. Of course, your being unaware of them rules out any teaching about what they are.

 

[1689Dave]

So, you are unable to offer even a little bit of support for the very sensational and false claims you've made??


That isn't what we've been talking about here.

It is since it is a false church not mentioned in scripture.

 

[Albion]

Premillennialism is. Christ's kingdom is forever, not 1000 years.

Premillennialism is not. If it were, you could quote the words from the Creed that do it. I'll wait.

 

[1689Dave]

Premillennialism is not. If it were, you could quote the words from the Creed that do it. I'll wait.

The creed says Christ's kingdom is forever. The Premillennialists condemned as heresy at Ephesus. say it is 1000 years.

 

[Albion]

Scripture identifies damnable heresies taught by Dispensationalism.

You said that Dispensationalism is what the Baptists teach and that Dispensationalism is denied by the Nicene Creed. No wonder you want to change the claim to have it be what Scripture identifies instead.

It is since it is a false church not mentioned in scripture.

You didn't name a church! But the absence of the legal name of any church in Scripture does not thereby make that church body "a false church." That's even more ridiculous a notion than some of what we've been dealing with already.

 

[1689Dave]

You said that Dispensationalism is what the Baptists teach and that Dispensationalism is denied by the Nicene Creed. No wonder you want to change the claim to have it be what Scripture identifies instead.


You didn't name a church! But the absence of the legal name of any church in Scripture does not thereby make that church body "a false church." That's even more ridiculous a notion than some of what we've been dealing with already.

If it walks like a duck or quacks like a duck, (uses you imagination) it's probably a false church

 

[Albion]

The creed says Christ's kingdom is forever. The Premillennialists condemned as heresy at Ephesus. say it is 1000 years.

Okay, so we have you admitting to at least one of your falsehoods. You have fallen back on Ephesus as the basis of your claim, even though you told us that Premillennialism is condemned by the Nicene Creed. It isn't.

Do you now also know that Catholics, Lutherans, and Anglicans are not -- as you charged -- churches that teach that they, not Christ, are the saviors?

Do you now also know that what you are talking about is not "sacerdotalism?"

DId you get that a cult has a particular meaning and that it's not the same as a "heresy?"

 

[1689Dave]

Okay, so we have you admitting to at least one of your falsehoods. You have fallen back on Ephesus as the basis of your claim, even though you told us that Premillennialism is condemned by the Nicene Creed. It isn't.

Do you now also know that Catholics, Lutherans, and Anglicans are not -- as you charged -- churches that teach that they, not Christ, are the saviors?

Do you now also know that what you are talking about is not "sacerdotalism?"

DId you get that a cult has a particular meaning and that it's not the same as a "heresy?"

It is if Christ's kingdom is forever and the Premillennialists say it is only for 1000 years.

 

[Albion]

If it walks like a duck or quacks like a duck, (uses you imagination) it's probably a false church

To your way of thinking, I suppose, but while "close enough" may be good enough for horseshoes and hand grenades, it's not good enough when discussing theology.

And it's absolutely not when someone who doesn't even meet the requirements to be posting anything on this "Christians only" forum uses it to misrepresent the churches that the members here belong to and then continue on with that pursuit even after having been corrected.

 

[1689Dave]

To your way of thinking, I suppose, but while "close enough" may be good enough for horseshoes and hand grenades, it's not good enough when discussing theology.

And it's absolutely not when someone who doesn't even meet the requirements to be posting anything on this "Christians only" forum uses it to misrepresent the churches that the members here belong to and then continue on with that pursuit even after having been corrected.

Where have I misrepresented any church? It is a sin to lie about me doing so. I research everything I post making sure it is bulletproof and conformed to the creeds and scripture. How much time do you spend in the word?

 

[Faith]

It does not say, "Lutherans believe that our various 300+ denominations save a person," A church doesn't save, God does. He may do so via means but using means doesn't negate that it's God doing it. But clearly, Lutherans do not teach that a church (any church) saves.




I've never known a non-denom parish that clearly printed exactly what that church teaches. They seem to go to great lengths to leave that very unclear. Or we get entirely meaningless things like "We teach what the Bible does" or "We teach what is true."

If you ask, Lutherans have it printed out. It's the Book of Concord. I have one. It's 648 pages long, but it references much more than that in previous statements.




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Maybe I need to reconsider Catholicism again.

 

[Albion]

How come, Faith? I assume that you were reacting to the preceding comments about Lutheranism, but what??