Has Christ established His Kingdom ?

[SetFree]

setfree


He was bound by the Cross when it was time in the purpose of God to begin His saving program for the Gentiles, prior to that the nations were under satanic deception Acts 14:16

That actually is a tradition of men.

Apostle Peter in 1 Peter 5:8 reveals that the devil is still walking about seeking those whom he may devour. He said that after Christ's death and resurrection. Thus the devil won't be 'bound' until the day of Lord Jesus' future return, like it says in Revelation 20.

Here is where some get the pop idea that the devil was bound at the time of Lord Jesus' cross...

John 12:31
31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
KJV

What Lord Jesus was actually revealing was the coming future event of Revelation 12:7-9 with the war in Heaven, when the devil is cast down to this earth, along with his angels. That has not happened yet today, because it includes links to Scripture that is set to happen only for the end with the great trib.

And Lord Jesus revealed through Apostle John also that Satan is coming to our world for the end...

John 14:30
30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in Me.
KJV

Lord Jesus is referring to His being delivered up and crucified, and then after that, with that "Hereafter" time. It was the future by that He was pointing to Satan being cast out to our world for the end. That is what the 'cast out' idea is actually about, because like Peter showed, Satan is still walking about like a roaring lion in this world seeking whom he may devour (1 Peter 5:8). Satan's spirit is still allowed to do that today.

But the actual casting out, means being cast out of the heavenly, which is what the Revelation 12:7-9 Scripture is about for the end. It even reveals when that happens there will no more be a place found in Heaven for Satan and his angels. Until then, Satan and his angels work back and forth from the heavenly dimension, Satan even still accusing us before God's Throne.

 

[Prepared]

Does Jesus have a a established Kingdom where He reigns as King ? Listen to Jesus own words Jn 18:36

Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence. Jesus is speaking present tense here, and He is saying He possesses a Kingdom, its His, but its not of this world. So if He has a Kingdom, we suppose He is a King !

What about Col 1:13

13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Could this be Christs Kingdom He is referring to in Jn 18:36 ? Is this His established Kingdom ? Of course it is. Should we look for another ? I dont believe so, but there will be a visible manifestation of His Present Kingdom at His Second Coming 1 Tim 4:1

I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom

Yes I agree his kingdoms and I say that with an s because there is more than one heaven. Heaven many times is referred to with an s and Paul was taken to the third heaven. Kingdoms that were established since the beginning of creations of the heavens.
He also said I have sheep which are not of this fold and them I must bring with me.
He said all things in heaven and Earth has been given unto him.
He is called King of Kings / Lord of Lords in Scripture.
He said I go to prepare a place that where I am you may be also and when he returns there will be a new heaven and a new Earth - for this heaven and Earth will be destroyed with fibrant fire.

 

[Lees]

Greek 'aion' implies the 'world', which is why translators used the word "world" in Bible translation. It does not change Christ's meaning, which is about the 'world' earth age after this present one. So arguing over the meaning of 'aion' is like straining at a gnat.

No, it doesn't change Christ's meaning. It changes your meaning. Different word.

You're the one that wanted to argue the meaning. I just showed you that you were wrong and misrepresented the Greek word 'world'.

A simple referring to Strong's Concordance will verify that.

You strained at the gnat in post #(8). Then, once you have been proven wrong, you whine. "Cheese"

I find this typical of those who want to present themselves as great students of the Bible. They talk a lot. But then, can't answer questions. In other words, when you can't answer simple questions concerning the doctrine you present, then your doctrine is empty.

In other words, you don't know what you're talking about. Because you haven't proved that you know what you're talking about.

Lees

 

[Lees]

Christ did not come out of the blue without any historical connection. He came as part of the great work God was doing as described in the Old Testament.

A people and prophecies and promises were made concerning God's Kingdom on earth as administered by man. Therefore, when John the Baptist first came preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom to Israel, (Matt. 3:1),he was not preaching some new thing.

(Ex. 19:5-6) "Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine: And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel."

A Kingdom of priests. The Kingdom of God on earth administered, mediated by man. And the nation of man that would mediate that Kingdom of God, was the nation Israel. And a King was promised to come to rule over that nation.

(Is. 9:6-7) "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Cousellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace, there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even forever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this."

These promises from God are to be connected to to the Kingdom that Christ would later preach with John and the disciples. (Matt. 3:1-2) (Matt. 4:17) (Matt. 10:5-7) That Kingdom Gospel was to Israel alone. (Matt. 10:5-7)

(Luke 1:31-33) "And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. He shall be great, and shall be callled the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end."

Just because this kingdom promised would be mediated by physical men, by a physical nation, by a physical Man, does not mean it's not from God. Would it be spiritual? Of course. But it would be both spiritual and physical. Just like Jesus is.

The Kingdom Christ came to establish, must be connected to the kingdom promised to Israel.

Lees

 

[brightfame52]

set free

That actually is a tradition of men.

I disagree, Christ at the Cross bound the strong man the devil and set free His elect from among jews and gentiles Matt 12:29


Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.

Apostle Peter in 1 Peter 5:8 reveals that the devil is still walking about seeking those whom he may devour.

I know that, thats a different aspect of his activity among the saved, you are mixing things up, but even then, he is under Gods sovereign control of what he can do, read Job 1-2

Here is where some get the pop idea that the devil was bound at the time of Lord Jesus' cross...

John 12:31
31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
KJV

What Lord Jesus was actually revealing was the coming future event of Revelation 12:7-9 with the war in Heaven, when the devil is cast down to this earth, along with his angels. That has not happened yet today, because it includes links to Scripture that is set to happen only for the end with the great trib.

And Lord Jesus revealed through Apostle John also that Satan is coming to our world for the end...

Thats not future thats now

And Lord Jesus revealed through Apostle John also that Satan is coming to our world for the end...

John 14:30
30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in Me.
KJV

He was already in the world, he put it in the heart of judas to betray Christ, he influenced the thinking of peter when Jesus rebuked him, saying Matt 16:23

But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

He tempted Christ in the wilderness, and was unsuccessful actually confirming Christs words here, that he had nothing in Jesus

But the actual casting out, means being cast out of the heavenly, which is what the Revelation 12:7-9 Scripture is about for the end. It even reveals when that happens there will no more be a place found in Heaven for Satan and his angels. Until then, Satan and his angels work back and forth from the heavenly dimension, Satan even still accusing us before God's Throne.

We in the end now friend !

 

[SetFree]

set free



I disagree, Christ at the Cross bound the strong man the devil and set free His elect from among jews and gentiles Matt 12:29

If you believe Satan was bound in his pit prison already at the cross, then it means to disagree with Peter in 1 Peter 5:8; just so you know. The devil and his angels have already been judged and sentenced to perish, but that sentence has not been carried out yet today, and won't be until after Christ's future "thousand years" reign of Revelation 20. Satan's ability to do evil will have stopped once Jesus takes literal reign over the nations like Rev.20 and Zechariah 14 shows.

Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.

I know that, thats a different aspect of his activity among the saved, you are mixing things up, but even then, he is under Gods sovereign control of what he can do, read Job 1-2

Yeah, I know that Scripture about the strong man as well, but that's not a valid prop for the erroneous idea that the 1,000 years of Rev.20 having already started.

And no, I am not mixing things up. I am abiding strictly to the Scriptures of God's Word.

He was already in the world, he put it in the heart of judas to betray Christ, he influenced the thinking of peter when Jesus rebuked him, saying Matt 16:23

But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

He tempted Christ in the wilderness, and was unsuccessful actually confirming Christs words here, that he had nothing in Jesus


We in the end now friend !

And that has what to do with men's doctrine that Satan was bound at Christ's crucifixion?

I'm sorry, but I cannot help thinking that you simply are blindly following a doctrine of man that may be a policy of the Church system you attend (like Amillennialism).

And yes, I well know we are in the last days, the end times.

 

[brightfame52]

setfree

If you believe Satan was bound in his pit prison already at the cross,

I didnt say that, so lets not get dishonest. I said he was bound so he couldnt deceive the gentile nations as he did prior to the Cross, so God began His call of the gentile elect during this age.

 

[brightfame52]

setfree

The devil and his angels have already been judged and sentenced to perish, but that sentence has not been carried out yet today,

That I agree with, they know its a set time Matt 8:29

And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?

, and won't be until after Christ's future "thousand years" reign of Revelation 20.

That reign is now culminating at the end of this age at the 2nd Coming when His Kingdom will be manifested 2 Tim 4:1

I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

Yeah, I know that Scripture about the strong man as well, but that's not a valid prop for the erroneous idea that the 1,000 years of Rev.20 having already started.

Sure its valid. Through the Cross He set the elect captives free from satan

And that has what to do with men's doctrine that Satan was bound at Christ's crucifixion?

I'm sorry, but I cannot help thinking that you simply are blindly following a doctrine of man that may be a policy of the Church system you attend (like Amillennialism).

And yes, I well know we are in the last days, the end times.

Satan is, has been, and will be always bound by the decree of God friend. He exists merely to serve Gods purpose.

 

[brightfame52]

Christ did not come out of the blue without any historical connection. He came as part of the great work God was doing as described in the Old Testament.

A people and prophecies and promises were made concerning God's Kingdom on earth as administered by man. Therefore, when John the Baptist first came preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom to Israel, (Matt. 3:1),he was not preaching some new thing.

(Ex. 19:5-6) "Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine: And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel."

A Kingdom of priests. The Kingdom of God on earth administered, mediated by man. And the nation of man that would mediate that Kingdom of God, was the nation Israel. And a King was promised to come to rule over that nation.

(Is. 9:6-7) "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Cousellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace, there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even forever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this."

These promises from God are to be connected to to the Kingdom that Christ would later preach with John and the disciples. (Matt. 3:1-2) (Matt. 4:17) (Matt. 10:5-7) That Kingdom Gospel was to Israel alone. (Matt. 10:5-7)

(Luke 1:31-33) "And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. He shall be great, and shall be callled the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end."

Just because this kingdom promised would be mediated by physical men, by a physical nation, by a physical Man, does not mean it's not from God. Would it be spiritual? Of course. But it would be both spiritual and physical. Just like Jesus is.

The Kingdom Christ came to establish, must be connected to the kingdom promised to Israel.

Lees

Christs Kingdom is Spiritual right now. Col 1:13

13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

And He is sitting on His Throne in His Kingdom right now, else He isnt a King right now. He has subjects in His Kingdom right now, that He rules

 

[Lees]

Christs Kingdom is Spiritual right now. Col 1:13

13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

And He is sitting on His Throne in His Kingdom right now, else He isnt a King right now. He has subjects in His Kingdom right now, that He rules

The Kingdom of God on earth, mediated by man, was spiritual with Israel also in the Old Testament. It is that Kingdom that God was/is preparing for The King, Jesus Christ. (Ex. 19:5-6) (Is. 9:6-7) (Luke 1:31-33)

You and others seem to think that Christ came to start His Kingdom which has nothing to do with the Kingdom of God in the Old Testament. As though the Kingdom of God with Israel was a 'physical' thing and Christ's Kingdom is a 'spiritual' thing.

In my post #(29) I showed the historical and physical connection of the Kingdom in the Old Testament to that which Christ preached. If that is not recognized, then one will never understand the Kingdom.

The doctrine of the Kingdom runs from (Genesis) to (Revelation). No one verse explains the Kingdom alone.

As to Jesus's Throne, actually, no. He is not yet on His Throne. (Rev. 3:21) "To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my father in his throne."

Well, Jesus has all authority in Heaven and Earth. And He most certainly is the King over the Kingdom. But I would say He is the King in waiting. Until He is established as the King over that historical Kingdom with Israel, which won't be until the 2nd Coming, He is the King in waiting. (Rev. 11:15)

Also, though we the Church recognize Jesus's Kingship over the Kingdom, we in relation to Him are not as servants to a King. We are His Bride, and wife to be. Another of one of those important distinctions.

Lees

 

[brightfame52]

The Kingdom of God on earth, mediated by man, was spiritual with Israel also in the Old Testament. It is that Kingdom that God was/is preparing for The King, Jesus Christ. (Ex. 19:5-6) (Is. 9:6-7) (Luke 1:31-33)

You and others seem to think that Christ came to start His Kingdom which has nothing to do with the Kingdom of God in the Old Testament. As though the Kingdom of God with Israel was a 'physical' thing and Christ's Kingdom is a 'spiritual' thing.

In my post #(29) I showed the historical and physical connection of the Kingdom in the Old Testament to that which Christ preached. If that is not recognized, then one will never understand the Kingdom.

The doctrine of the Kingdom runs from (Genesis) to (Revelation). No one verse explains the Kingdom alone.

As to Jesus's Throne, actually, no. He is not yet on His Throne. (Rev. 3:21) "To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my father in his throne."

Well, Jesus has all authority in Heaven and Earth. And He most certainly is the King over the Kingdom. But I would say He is the King in waiting. Until He is established as the King over that historical Kingdom with Israel, which won't be until the 2nd Coming, He is the King in waiting. (Rev. 11:15)

Also, though we the Church recognize Jesus's Kingship over the Kingdom, we in relation to Him are not as servants to a King. We are His Bride, and wife to be. Another of one of those important distinctions.

Lees

Yes, The wife, bride serves the husband, calls him Lord 1 Pet 3:6


Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement.

The point is, The Church is His Bride, but He is still her Lord, and its her pleasure to serve Him. Jesus is presently sitting down on His Throne, Davids Throne, His Fathers Throne. It was said once that Solomon David's son sit on the throne of the LORD 1 Chron 29:23

Then Solomon sat on the throne of the Lord as king instead of David his father, and prospered; and all Israel obeyed him.

My point still stands, Christ sits on the Throne of David Now in His Kingdom Col 1:13 its a Spiritual Kingdom

 

[Lees]

Yes, The wife, bride serves the husband, calls him Lord 1 Pet 3:6


Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement.

The point is, The Church is His Bride, but He is still her Lord, and its her pleasure to serve Him. Jesus is presently sitting down on His Throne, Davids Throne, His Fathers Throne. It was said once that Solomon David's son sit on the throne of the LORD 1 Chron 29:23

Then Solomon sat on the throne of the Lord as king instead of David his father, and prospered; and all Israel obeyed him.

My point still stands, Christ sits on the Throne of David Now in His Kingdom Col 1:13 its a Spiritual Kingdom

Why do you say yes? I didn't say that. I said that 'although we the Church recognize Jesus's Kingship over the Kingdom, our relation to Him is not as servants to a King. We are His Bride and wife to be.

Your point only stands in your mind, of which no Scripture can change and unscramble. (Rev. 3:21) is clear. Christ is presently sitting on the Fathers throne. Christ's throne, which will be the throne promised to Him, the throne of David, He is not sitting on. And He won't be till He returns. Christ's present ministry is as our Advocate. (1 John 2:1)

The Kingdom being 'spiritual' changes nothing. The Kingdom being spiritual doesn't negate the physical and historical aspect of the Kingdom. Christ will only sit on His Throne, the throne of David, when He returns and rules in Jerusalem, in Israel, over the world.

Concerning (Col. 1:3) We the Church are brought into His Kingdom, but as His wife. Not in a servant/King relationship.

Satan's kingdom is spiritual also. Yet we see it in the physical earthly world. (Eph. 6:12) Being 'spiritual' does not equate with good and of God. And being of the physical does not equate with evil. The first rebellion we are told of began in Heaven, not earth. (Job 38:1-7).

Your use of 'spiritual' is just your 'easy way' to explain anything in the Bible. If you don't know, which you usually don't, you just give it a 'spiritual' explanation. Which means, anything you can come up with.

When Scripture is against you, you ignore it, as with (Rev. 3:21), and persist in your own 'spiritual explanation'.

Lees

 

[brightfame52]

Why do you say yes? I didn't say that. I said that 'although we the Church recognize Jesus's Kingship over the Kingdom, our relation to Him is not as servants to a King. We are His Bride and wife to be.

Your point only stands in your mind, of which no Scripture can change and unscramble. (Rev. 3:21) is clear. Christ is presently sitting on the Fathers throne. Christ's throne, which will be the throne promised to Him, the throne of David, He is not sitting on. And He won't be till He returns. Christ's present ministry is as our Advocate. (1 John 2:1)

The Kingdom being 'spiritual' changes nothing. The Kingdom being spiritual doesn't negate the physical and historical aspect of the Kingdom. Christ will only sit on His Throne, the throne of David, when He returns and rules in Jerusalem, in Israel, over the world.

Concerning (Col. 1:3) We the Church are brought into His Kingdom, but as His wife. Not in a servant/King relationship.

Satan's kingdom is spiritual also. Yet we see it in the physical earthly world. (Eph. 6:12) Being 'spiritual' does not equate with good and of God. And being of the physical does not equate with evil. The first rebellion we are told of began in Heaven, not earth. (Job 38:1-7).

Your use of 'spiritual' is just your 'easy way' to explain anything in the Bible. If you don't know, which you usually don't, you just give it a 'spiritual' explanation. Which means, anything you can come up with.

When Scripture is against you, you ignore it, as with (Rev. 3:21), and persist in your own 'spiritual explanation'.

Lees

Christs Kingdom now is Spiritual and invisible, yet it will have a Physical manifestation at His appearing and kingdom 2 Tim 4:1

I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

That word appearing epiphaneia:

a manifestation, i.e. (specially) the advent of Christ (past or future):—appearing, brightness. Its derived from a word that means:

1. conspicuous, manifest, illustrious

Then we get on with the affairs of eternity Rev 11:18

18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

1 Cor 6:1-2

Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?

3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

 

[Lees]

Christs Kingdom now is Spiritual and invisible, yet it will have a Physical manifestation at His appearing and kingdom 2 Tim 4:1

I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

That word appearing epiphaneia:

a manifestation, i.e. (specially) the advent of Christ (past or future):—appearing, brightness. Its derived from a word that means:

1. conspicuous, manifest, illustrious

Then we get on with the affairs of eternity Rev 11:18

18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

1 Cor 6:1-2

Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?

3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

Your response was 'no response' to what I said. You're a waste of time. Go waste someone else's.

Lees

 

[brightfame52]

Your response was 'no response' to what I said. You're a waste of time. Go waste someone else's.

Lees

okay

 

[SetFree]

setfree


I didnt say that, so lets not get dishonest. I said he was bound so he couldnt deceive the gentile nations as he did prior to the Cross, so God began His call of the gentile elect during this age.

You used the word "bound", and per Bible Scripture, that means the event of Satan being locked in his pit prison after Christ's future return. So I am... being honest, not messin' with you.

So if that is not what you mean about Satan being 'bound', then I suggest to not use that word 'bound' about him, because Peter showed Satan has not... been bound yet, but is still free walking about to devour whom he will. And Peter is giving that as a 'warning'... to Christian brethren, not to the wicked.

So please, don't tell me that you honestly believe Christian brethren cannot be deceived? Being deceived only applies IF... they do not... remain in Christ and nor in His Word, and instead fall away. If this were not so, then Lord Jesus and His Apostles would not have given so many warnings against being deceived, especially in the last days.

 

[SetFree]

That reign is now culminating at the end of this age at the 2nd Coming when His Kingdom will be manifested 2 Tim 4:1

The 2 Timothy 4:1 verse says nothing about Christ reigning right now during this present world. His Kingdom of The Spirit is here today through His Church by The Holy Spirit, but that's all. He is yet to reign over all His enemies, as that won't happen until He returns in the future (John 18:36; Zechariah 14).

Even the nation alignment that will come against Israel on the last day of this world per Ezekiel 38 is not complete today, as Turkey is still not aligned (Turkey is that Togarmah, the old area of Cappodocia). Thus there are many nations today that Lord Jesus is definitely not reigning over.

I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;


Sure its valid. Through the Cross He set the elect captives free from satan

Satan is, has been, and will be always bound by the decree of God friend. He exists merely to serve Gods purpose.

Sorry, but you are jumping subjects around. Lord Jesus did free the "spirits in prison" that He preached The Gospel to, and those who believed He led out of darkness and the prison house, which actually indeed was Old Testament prophecy He would do that per Isaiah 42:7.

But that event has nothing to do with any idea that His Kingdom reign has already started on this earth today. I suggest you study the Zechariah 14 chapter about that more thoroughly.

And yes, I agree God uses... Satan upon the rebellious. God hints to that fact using "the Assyrian" expression to point to Satan, using him as "Mine rod of anger" per Isaiah 10. But that still does not mean Lord Jesus is already reigning over the nations during this present world.

 

[brightfame52]

You used the word "bound", and per Bible Scripture, that means the event of Satan being locked in his pit prison after Christ's future return. So I am... being honest, not messin' with you.

So if that is not what you mean about Satan being 'bound', then I suggest to not use that word 'bound' about him, because Peter showed Satan has not... been bound yet, but is still free walking about to devour whom he will. And Peter is giving that as a 'warning'... to Christian brethren, not to the wicked.

So please, don't tell me that you honestly believe Christian brethren cannot be deceived? Not being deceived only applies IF... they do not... remain in Christ and nor in His Word, and instead fall away. If this were not so, then Lord Jesus and His Apostles would not have given so many warnings against being deceived, especially in the last days.

You still lack understanding friend, it doesnt do any good explaining anything to you. Goes in one ear out the other

 

[brightfame52]

The 2 Timothy 4:1 verse says nothing about Christ reigning right now during this present world. His Kingdom of The Spirit is here today through His Church by The Holy Spirit, but that's all. He is yet to reign over all His enemies, as that won't happen until He returns in the future (John 18:36; Zechariah 14).

Even the nation alignment that will come against Israel on the last day of this world per Ezekiel 38 is not complete today, as Turkey is still not aligned (Turkey is that Togarmah, the old area of Cappodocia). Thus there are many nations today that Lord Jesus is definitely not reigning over.


Sorry, but you are jumping subjects around. Lord Jesus did free the "spirits in prison" that He preached The Gospel to, and those who believed He led out of darkness and the prison house, which actually indeed was Old Testament prophecy He would do that per Isaiah 42:7.

But that event has nothing to do with any idea that His Kingdom reign has already started on this earth today. I suggest you study the Zechariah 14 chapter about that more thoroughly.

And yes, I agree God uses... Satan upon the rebellious. God hints to that fact using "the Assyrian" expression to point to Satan, using him as "Mine rod of anger" per Isaiah 10. But that still does not mean Lord Jesus is already reigning over the nations during this present world.

Lol Christ has a kingdom right now, yet He is not reigning. So whose reigning here and whats the time frame 1 Cor 15:25

For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

 

[SetFree]

Lol Christ has a kingdom right now, yet He is not reigning. So whose reigning here and whats the time frame 1 Cor 15:25

For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

I already showed you, but your spiritual ears and eyes you have closed. So good luck.