Catholic Church definition of the canonical scriptures.

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You've given a vague example of where they can be found. I've asked you for specific passages now

You did not state this specifically earlier, but thank you for doing so now

No. I have been very clear.

Do you have a Bible?

I was clear earlier...to those who speak English.

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Being that you have referenced a "Roman Bible", how is it deception to find things that would reasonably be found there?

I have already told you.

Do you own a Bible?

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No. I have been very clear.

I was clear earlier
I'm sorry that you choose not to go deeper into the questions I've asked of you. Moving on...
 

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I have already told you.

Do you own a Bible?

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I'm sorry that you choose not to go deeper into the questions I've asked of you. Moving on...
 

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You didn't answer my question. Do you own a Bible?

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Yes, but I don't own a "Roman Bible" to reference anything you've spoken about. And since you choose not to elaborate on post #'s 2 and 5... moving on
 

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Yes, but I don't own a "Roman Bible" to reference anything you've spoken about. And since you choose not to elaborate on post #'s 2 and 5... moving on

How many books in your Old Testament in the Bible you own? What is the name of your Bible. Please don't be evasive.

The Bible I use and read is the Old Scofield Study Bible. 39 books in the Old Testament.

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Let's try to not make things personal in the thread...little digs aren't necessary.
 

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How many books in your Old Testament in the Bible you own? What is the name of your Bible. Please don't be evasive.

The Bible I use and read is the Old Scofield Study Bible. 39 books in the Old Testament.

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For readability I use the NASB. 39 Old Testament books. I was raised on the KJV. Same #
Perhaps you can help me out. When you reference the "Roman Bible", what version are you referring to?
 

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For readability I use the NASB. 39 Old Testament books. I was raised on the KJV. Same #
Perhaps you can help me out. When you reference the "Roman Bible", what version are you referring to?

What does that mean? For readibility? What do you consider the Bible? How many books does 'it' have in the Old Testament?

What does that mean? You were raised on the KJV?

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What does that mean? For readibility? What do you consider the Bible? How many books does 'it' have in the Old Testament?

What does that mean? You were raised on the KJV?

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Moving on...
 

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Time for me to go.
 

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Lees, move on.

Why? You haven't answered my questions. You would like me to move on. Just like MoreCoffe would like to leave. Neither of you can stand the debate.

Maybe you and MoreCoffe should 'move on',since you haven't provided anything of substance.

In other words, you like to make statements...untill you're called on them.

I call and then you want to 'move on'. That's handy. Let's just 'move on' so you don't have to answer. Speaks volumes.

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The Canon of Scripture

It was by the apostolic Tradition that the Church discerned which writings are to be included in the list of the sacred books.

This complete list is called the canon of Scripture. It includes 46 books for the Old Testament (45 if we count Jeremiah and Lamentations as one) and 27 for the New.

The Old Testament: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy, Joshua, Judges, Ruth, 1 and 2 Samuel, 1 and 2 Kings, 1 and 2 Chronicles, Ezra and Nehemiah, Tobit, Judith, Esther, 1 and 2 Maccabees, Job, Psalms, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, the Song of Songs, the Wisdom of Solomon, Sirach (Ecclesiasticus), Isaiah, Jeremiah, Lamentations, Baruch, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Joel, Amos, Obadiah, Jonah, Micah, Nahum, Habakkuk, Zephaniah, Haggai, Zachariah and Malachi.

The New Testament: the Gospels according to Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, the Acts of the Apostles, the Letters of St. Paul to the Romans, 1 and 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1 and 2 Thessalonians, 1 and 2 Timothy, Titus, Philemon, the Letter to the Hebrews, the Letters of James, 1 and 2 Peter, 1, 2 and 3 John, and Jude, and Revelation (the Apocalypse).

The Old Testament

The Old Testament is an indispensable part of Sacred Scripture. Its books are divinely inspired and retain a permanent value, for the Old Covenant has never been revoked.

Indeed, "the economy of the Old Testament was deliberately SO oriented that it should prepare for and declare in prophecy the coming of Christ, redeemer of all men." "Even though they contain matters imperfect and provisional, The books of the OldTestament bear witness to the whole divine pedagogy of God's saving love: these writings "are a storehouse of sublime teaching on God and of sound wisdom on human life, as well as a wonderful treasury of prayers; in them, too, the mystery of our salvation is present in a hidden way."

Christians venerate the Old Testament as the true Word of God. the Church has always vigorously opposed the idea of rejecting the Old Testament under the pretext that the New has rendered it void (Marcionism).

The New Testament

"The Word of God, which is the power of God for salvation to everyone who has faith, is set forth and displays its power in a most wonderful way in the writings of the New Testament" which hand on the ultimate truth of God's Revelation. Their central object is Jesus Christ, God's incarnate Son: his acts, teachings, Passion and glorification, and his Church's beginnings under the Spirit's guidance.

The Gospels are the heart of all the Scriptures "because they are our principal source for the life and teaching of the Incarnate Word, our Saviour".

We can distinguish three stages in the formation of the Gospels:
1. the life and teaching of Jesus. the Church holds firmly that the four Gospels, "whose historicity she unhesitatingly affirms, faithfully hand on what Jesus, the Son of God, while he lived among men, really did and taught for their eternal salvation, until the day when he was taken up."​
2. the oral tradition. "For, after the ascension of the Lord, the apostles handed on to their hearers what he had said and done, but with that fuller understanding which they, instructed by the glorious events of Christ and enlightened by the Spirit of truth, now enjoyed."​
3. the written Gospels. "The sacred authors, in writing the four Gospels, selected certain of the many elements which had been handed on, either orally or already in written form; others they synthesized or explained with an eye to the situation of the churches, the while sustaining the form of preaching, but always in such a fashion that they have told us the honest truth about Jesus."​

The Catholic Church didn’t decide that canon. The early church did.
 

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Your Roman list is incomplete and deceptive.

In the Book of Esther Rome has also added apocryphal writings and deceptively weaved them throughout the book.

In the Book of Daniel, Rome has done the same thing, adding the apocryphal books of Susanna and Bel and the Dragon.

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The Catholic Church didn’t add those writings. Those writings were in the original Hebrew, and the Jews removed them. The Catholic Church merely preserved what was in the original Hebrew.
 

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No, it is your Roman list. Which I said, is very deceptive. You try and weave in spurious writings in the Book of Esther and Daniel, and don't want to tell anyone. Which is why they are not listed in your 'Roman' list.

All one has to do is obtain a Roman Bible and see for yourself.

Catholic? I am Catholic. I am part of the universal Church of Jesus Christ. But I am not 'Roman'. See? You pervert the word 'Catholic' and identify it as 'Roman'.

Deception.

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Catholics didn’t add those extra chapters. The Jews removed them.
They weren’t added. They were deleted.
 

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So you are a King James Only right?
you should be well versed in these books then.

King James only? What about King Jesus?
Let’s follow His version and His canon.
 
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