Trouble on the Temple Mount

[Lees]

This usually comes in various waves or seasons. But it is certainly going on now. I find it very intersting at this time due to the Russia/Ukraine war. Russia has single handedly united the West and separated herself from the rest of the world. And there is trouble on the Temple Mount once again.

A united West and a Russia separated will be needed in the last days events. As will the rebuilding of the Temple where the Dome of the Rock sits.

In my short time here I don't think many will agree with the need to rebuild the Temple. But I do. And the Jews certainly do.

I believe those 36 acres that the Temple Mount sits on is the center of the world...of the universe. It is God's place. Not mans. It doesn't even belong to Israel. It belongs to God.

(Lev. 25:23) "The land shall not be sold for ever: for the land is mine; for ye are strangers and sojourners with me."

Lees

 

[NewCreation435]

These two verses indicate that the temple of God is now not made of stone and brick, but is within us. I'm not a dispensationalist and don't believe another temple needs to be built.. God's place is within the believer now.
"Do you not know that you are a temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?" 1 Cor 3:16

"Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God, and that you are not your own?"
1 Corinthians 6:19

 

[MoreCoffee]

This usually comes in various waves or seasons. But it is certainly going on now. I find it very intersting at this time due to the Russia/Ukraine war. Russia has single handedly united the West and separated herself from the rest of the world. And there is trouble on the Temple Mount once again.

A united West and a Russia separated will be needed in the last days events. As will the rebuilding of the Temple where the Dome of the Rock sits.

In my short time here I don't think many will agree with the need to rebuild the Temple. But I do. And the Jews certainly do.

I believe those 36 acres that the Temple Mount sits on is the center of the world...of the universe. It is God's place. Not mans. It doesn't even belong to Israel. It belongs to God.

(Lev. 25:23) "The land shall not be sold for ever: for the land is mine; for ye are strangers and sojourners with me."

Lees

I've heard of these things from various evangelical and Pentecostal people for decades. It's been a case of "The end is nigh!" for decades now.

 

[Lees]

These two verses indicate that the temple of God is now not made of stone and brick, but is within us. I'm not a dispensationalist and don't believe another temple needs to be built.. God's place is within the believer now.
"Do you not know that you are a temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?" 1 Cor 3:16

"Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God, and that you are not your own?"
1 Corinthians 6:19

Before going further I want to say that I unwittingly titled this thread after a phrase used in the book (The Temple And Bible Prophecy, Randall Price, Harvest House, Harvest House Publishers). I was just now referencing the book and came across that title. It is an excellant book and I recommend it, whether you agree or not.

I'm not sure one would have to be a dispensationalist to expect another Temple to be built, but it does always seem to work out that way. It will always follow ones method of interpretation for sure.

As to (1 Cor. 3:16) and (6:19), I agree. The Church at present is the Temple upon earth. I'm not sure why that is supposed to mean God is not going to have a future earthly Temple built once more.

Will there be a future Temple? Is the future Temple described in (Ezekiel 40-48)? If (Ez. 40-48) is not a future Temple, then when was it built?

Lees

 

[Lees]

@MoreCoffee

I've heard this sort of mockery, (post #3), from certain sects of Christians for a long time. It usually comes as the discussion progresses and one side doesn't have anything else to say.

Be that as it may, the end is always nigh....correct? Or are you saying certain things must occur before Jesus returns?

Lees

 

[MoreCoffee]

It usually comes as the discussion progresses

Post #3 isn't an "as the discussion progresses" thing, is it?

 

[psalms 91]

I for one believe you are right and I also believe the stage is being set for end times and I dont think it will be many more years

 

[Lees]

@MoreCoffee

That's correct. In post #(3) you introduced the mockery at the very outset. That is the point.

Again, the end is always nigh....correct? Or are you saying certain things must occur before Jesus appears?

Lees

 

[Lees]

I for one believe you are right and I also believe the stage is being set for end times and I dont think it will be many more years

Yes, it is fascinating to watch. And just as the Temple must be rebuilt, so also will Russia eventually come against Israel. (Eze. 38:14-16)

This is for a future day. Yet it is interesting to me, that Russia is going to come against Israel, and there are no nations coming against her to stop her. It is God that intervenes and destroys her armies. Russia has already alienated herself from the West. Yet in this future day she still will have allies, (Eze. 38:5-6) and she is powerful enough still to come against Israel, not fearing the West.

What does that say about the U.S.? We are no longer in position to protect Israel...for some reason. Either we don't want to or we have been diminished in power some way. Possibly militarily defeated. Possibly just continued in our self-destruction. Possibly both working together.

The West at this time is starting to really rattle the war sabres causing Putin to give serious, very serious, warnings. I have said this before, I think the West is making a mistake. Remember, in that day, we, the U.S, are not there. Russia is. And it will be God who must intervene and stop her.

Lees

 

[MoreCoffee]

That is the point.

It isn't a point then.

 

[Fritz Kobus]

What would be the purpose of another temple? Didn't the Jews get the message when God destroyed the temple in 70 AD?

Hebrews 10:

4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
...
10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:

12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.

14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,

16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

 

[Lees]

@MoreCoffee

That is the point. You begin with mockery. Mockery is used when you have nothing else. Laugh laugh...ha ha...so silly. Yet nothing of substance.

Again, the end is always nigh...correct? Or are you saying certain things must occur before Jesus appears? The more you avoid the questions the more it is evident why you...laugh, laugh...ha ha...so silly. Nothing to offer.

Lees

 

[Lees]

What would be the purpose of another temple? Didn't the Jews get the message when God destroyed the temple in 70 AD?

Hebrews 10:

4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
...
10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:

12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.

14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,

16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

What was the purpose of any Temple? God destroyed the Temple in 586 B.C. by the Babylonians. That didn't stop God from building another one...did it?

I have no problem with (Heb. 10:4-18) Why should I?

Lees

 

[MoreCoffee]

Laugh laugh...ha ha...so silly.

Read post #3 again. You have misunderstood it completely.

 

[Lees]

@MoreCoffee

Yet no explanation of how I misunderstood. Becuase I understood your post #(3) perfectly well.

And, you continue to avoid my questions to you. Again, the end is always nigh...correct? Or are you saying certain things must occur before Jesus appears?

No substance. Only mockery. Laugh laugh...ha ha...so silly.

Lees

 

[NewCreation435]

Before going further I want to say that I unwittingly titled this thread after a phrase used in the book (The Temple And Bible Prophecy, Randall Price, Harvest House, Harvest House Publishers). I was just now referencing the book and came across that title. It is an excellant book and I recommend it, whether you agree or not.

I'm not sure one would have to be a dispensationalist to expect another Temple to be built, but it does always seem to work out that way. It will always follow ones method of interpretation for sure.

As to (1 Cor. 3:16) and (6:19), I agree. The Church at present is the Temple upon earth. I'm not sure why that is supposed to mean God is not going to have a future earthly Temple built once more.

Will there be a future Temple? Is the future Temple described in (Ezekiel 40-48)? If (Ez. 40-48) is not a future Temple, then when was it built?

Lees

I have not studied the description of the temple in Ezekiel in years, but when I last looked at it none of the temple buildings that were built in the past look like the one in Ezekiel. I will grant you that. I just don't know what the point of a physical temple on earth would really be in the future? Do you see a future need for animal sacrifices? That would seem to fly into the face of the cross and Jesus' words that it is finished.

Are you a proponent then that Russia is the nation from the north that is mentioned in prophesy? While it is true that it seems that it is directly north of Israel, I think people in Ezekiel's day would have understood it as any nation coming from the east as that was a major trade route in that time. Nations traveled up the fertile crescent and then down through Israel.

 

[Lees]

I have not studied the description of the temple in Ezekiel in years, but when I last looked at it none of the temple buildings that were built in the past look like the one in Ezekiel. I will grant you that. I just don't know what the point of a physical temple on earth would really be in the future? Do you see a future need for animal sacrifices? That would seem to fly into the face of the cross and Jesus' words that it is finished.

Are you a proponent then that Russia is the nation from the north that is mentioned in prophesy? While it is true that it seems that it is directly north of Israel, I think people in Ezekiel's day would have understood it as any nation coming from the east as that was a major trade route in that time. Nations traveled up the fertile crescent and then down through Israel.

I would say first that it is difficult for me to imagine that God would give such precise detail in the construction of this future Temple and then not build it. For He knew when He gave this prophecy that Christ would come and be the One true Sacrifice and that the Church would be the Temple of God during this age.

This future Temple I believe to be the Millennial Temple. That 1,000 year reign of Christ upon the earth. The Millennium isn't Heaven. It will be a righteous rule of Christ upon the earth. Israel will be restored having received Christ as her Messiah. And the Temple is important for the worship of God and the sacrifices.

Concerning the 'need' for animal sacrifices at that time, one could compare the 'need' for animal sacrifices under the Mosaic Law. No animal sacrifices ever took away sin from the one offering them. No one was ever saved by the Law. But they were there to provoke the mnd of the Jew as to his need for a sacrifice and to point to the then future need of the true Sacrifice. So, much like our Lord's Supper today we are not crucifying Jesus again, we are looking back to His Sacrifice. And the Millennial animal sacrifices will not be to replace Jesus One Sacrifce. They will be to prod the minds of the people as to the purpose of Christ's Sacrifice.

Remember, we are not talking about Heaven . It is the Millennium. And though it begins with nothing but the saved from the Tribulation, it won't be long before many are born who are not believers.

I believe the distinction of Gog and Magog identifies this as Russia in (Eze. 38-39).

Lees

 

[NewCreation435]

I would say first that it is difficult for me to imagine that God would give such precise detail in the construction of this future Temple and then not build it. For He knew when He gave this prophecy that Christ would come and be the One true Sacrifice and that the Church would be the Temple of God during this age.

This future Temple I believe to be the Millennial Temple. That 1,000 year reign of Christ upon the earth. The Millennium isn't Heaven. It will be a righteous rule of Christ upon the earth. Israel will be restored having received Christ as her Messiah. And the Temple is important for the worship of God and the sacrifices.

Concerning the 'need' for animal sacrifices at that time, one could compare the 'need' for animal sacrifices under the Mosaic Law. No animal sacrifices ever took away sin from the one offering them. No one was ever saved by the Law. But they were there to provoke the mnd of the Jew as to his need for a sacrifice and to point to the then future need of the true Sacrifice. So, much like our Lord's Supper today we are not crucifying Jesus again, we are looking back to His Sacrifice. And the Millennial animal sacrifices will not be to replace Jesus One Sacrifce. They will be to prod the minds of the people as to the purpose of Christ's Sacrifice.

Remember, we are not talking about Heaven . It is the Millennium. And though it begins with nothing but the saved from the Tribulation, it won't be long before many are born who are not believers.

I believe the distinction of Gog and Magog identifies this as Russia in (Eze. 38-39).

Lees

what specifically are you pointing to in Ezekiel 38-39 that indicates Russia?

 

[Lees]

what specifically are you pointing to in Ezekiel 38-39 that indicates Russia?

Didn't I say already? Gog and Magog.

Lees

 

[NewCreation435]

Didn't I say already? Gog and Magog.

Lees

Yes, you said that already. What makes you think Gog and Magog is Russia?
In Ezekiel 38 verses 8,9 and 15, 22 and 23 the Lord refers to "many nations" going up against Israel and not just one. It seems like Magog may mean some type of confederation of nations similiar to NATO is for Europe.