When Inbreeding Was Safe

[Odë:hgöd]

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• Gen 2:21a-22a . . So the Lord God cast a deep sleep upon the man; and, while he
slept, He took one of his ribs and closed up the flesh at that spot. And the Lord God
fashioned the rib that He had taken from the man into a woman;

The Hebrew word translated "rib" is tsela' (tsay-law') and Gen 2:21-22 contains the
only two places in the entire Old Testament where it's translated with an English
word representing a skeletal bone.

In the other twenty-nine places, it's translated "side" which is really how tsela'
should be translated because according to Gen 2:23, the material taken from
Adam's body included some of his flesh; and seeing as how the life of the flesh is in
the blood (Lev 17:11) then I think it's safe to assume that the flesh that God took
from Adam's body to construct the woman contained some of his blood too so that
the flesh was living flesh instead of dead.

In other words: we can accept "rib" if we allow it a description similar to a
barbecued rib; a serving that contains not bone alone rather, bone, blood, and
meat.

The most important thing to note in Gen 2:21a-22a is that Eve wasn't created
directly from the soil as Adam was, viz: Eve wasn't a discreet creation, i.e. her
gender isn't a unique specie.

Being as Eve was constructed with Adam's flesh, blood, and bones, then the flesh,
blood, and bones of her body were reproductions of his flesh, blood, and bones with
the result that Eve came into the world biologically related to Adam, i.e. he was her
father and she was his first child; so any discussion of incest has to go all the way
back to the very beginning and start with the first couple instead of Cain and/or
Seth.
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[Fritz Kobus]

The Bible never suggests that Eve is the daughter of Adam. Rather Eve was created to be a companion to Adam, his wife.

Incest did not exist before God prohibited it (by definition incest is prohibited relations between close relatives), which was long after the creation. In the beginning, brother and sister would have to marry in order to multiply the human race with a single set of parents to start the race. Since it was not prohibited in the beginning, it was not incest.

But the subject line was about inbreeding. Inbreeding is prohibited now because of genetic issues that would not have been present in the early era of man when his genetic pool was much richer than it is today, and did not have many generations to perpetuate genetic errors (which occur because of sin).

 

[kiwimac]

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• Gen 2:21a-22a . . So the Lord God cast a deep sleep upon the man; and, while he
slept, He took one of his ribs and closed up the flesh at that spot. And the Lord God
fashioned the rib that He had taken from the man into a woman;

The Hebrew word translated "rib" is tsela' (tsay-law') and Gen 2:21-22 contains the
only two places in the entire Old Testament where it's translated with an English
word representing a skeletal bone.

In the other twenty-nine places, it's translated "side" which is really how tsela'
should be translated because according to Gen 2:23, the material taken from
Adam's body included some of his flesh; and seeing as how the life of the flesh is in
the blood (Lev 17:11) then I think it's safe to assume that the flesh that God took
from Adam's body to construct the woman contained some of his blood too so that
the flesh was living flesh instead of dead.

In other words: we can accept "rib" if we allow it a description similar to a
barbecued rib; a serving that contains not bone alone rather, bone, blood, and
meat.

The most important thing to note in Gen 2:21a-22a is that Eve wasn't created
directly from the soil as Adam was, viz: Eve wasn't a discreet creation, i.e. her
gender isn't a unique specie.

Being as Eve was constructed with Adam's flesh, blood, and bones, then the flesh,
blood, and bones of her body were reproductions of his flesh, blood, and bones with
the result that Eve came into the world biologically related to Adam, i.e. he was her
father and she was his first child; so any discussion of incest has to go all the way
back to the very beginning and start with the first couple instead of Cain and/or
Seth.
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And this is the kind of nonsense you get from treating Genesis 1 and 2 as history.

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[Fritz Kobus]

And this is the kind of nonsense you get from treating Genesis 1 and 2 as history.

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No, there is nothing in Genesis 1 & 2 that would lead to his conclusions. He is reading things into it.

 

[Spindle4]

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• Gen 2:21a-22a . . So the Lord God cast a deep sleep upon the man; and, while he
slept, He took one of his ribs and closed up the flesh at that spot. And the Lord God
fashioned the rib that He had taken from the man into a woman;

The Hebrew word translated "rib" is tsela' (tsay-law') and Gen 2:21-22 contains the
only two places in the entire Old Testament where it's translated with an English
word representing a skeletal bone.

In the other twenty-nine places, it's translated "side" which is really how tsela'
should be translated because according to Gen 2:23, the material taken from
Adam's body included some of his flesh; and seeing as how the life of the flesh is in
the blood (Lev 17:11) then I think it's safe to assume that the flesh that God took
from Adam's body to construct the woman contained some of his blood too so that
the flesh was living flesh instead of dead.

In other words: we can accept "rib" if we allow it a description similar to a
barbecued rib; a serving that contains not bone alone rather, bone, blood, and
meat.

The most important thing to note in Gen 2:21a-22a is that Eve wasn't created
directly from the soil as Adam was, viz: Eve wasn't a discreet creation, i.e. her
gender isn't a unique specie.

Being as Eve was constructed with Adam's flesh, blood, and bones, then the flesh,
blood, and bones of her body were reproductions of his flesh, blood, and bones with
the result that Eve came into the world biologically related to Adam, i.e. he was her
father and she was his first child; so any discussion of incest has to go all the way
back to the very beginning and start with the first couple instead of Cain and/or
Seth.
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An interesting fact about rib bones:

They are the only bone in the human body that will regrow.
If a rib is removed leaving a tiny stub, the stub will regrow to full size.
Also, this makes rib bones suitable for grafting onto other bones that need repairing as the original site returns to normal and the graft site fuses into one.

 

[Spindle4]

And this is the kind of nonsense you get from treating Genesis 1 and 2 as history.

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Laying such blame constitutes false logic. The fault with the OP is its misappropriation of term and unreasonable correlation of events.

 

[Andrew]

The Bible never suggests that Eve is the daughter of Adam. Rather Eve was created to be a companion to Adam, his wife.

Incest did not exist before God prohibited it (by definition incest is prohibited relations between close relatives), which was long after the creation. In the beginning, brother and sister would have to marry in order to multiply the human race with a single set of parents to start the race. Since it was not prohibited in the beginning, it was not incest.

But the subject line was about inbreeding. Inbreeding is prohibited now because of genetic issues that would not have been present in the early era of man when his genetic pool was much richer than it is today, and did not have many generations to perpetuate genetic errors (which occur because of sin).

A good example of the are the Ashkenazi

 

[Odë:hgöd]

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It could be argued that Eve was Adam's sister; but neither she nor he were
produced by a common biological ancestor; rather, he was constructed from dirt
and she was constructed from Adam. That makes Eve his descendant rather than
his sibling.

It had to be that way because God wanted all human life to biologically descend
from just one source.

• Acts 17:26 . . From one man he made every nation of men

[ Every nation of men includes Pygmies, Inuit, Hispanic, African, Native American,
Germanic, Semitic, Polynesian, Aboriginal, Asian, etc. etc. ]

The inescapable conclusion to draw from God's decision is that Adam had to sleep
with his daughter to produce Cain, Abel, and Seth because there just weren't any
other women in his world at the time. And besides: it was God brought them
together, viz: they were genuinely a match made in Heaven.
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[Fritz Kobus]

I see no such conclusion. Nowhere does the Bible suggest that Eve is a daughter to Adam. Regardless, it was one man from which was mad one woman and from them the whole human race. There was no inbreeding because the genetic pool remained quite robust and diverse for the first generations. It was only later that a prohibition was put on marrying a close relative.

 

[Odë:hgöd]

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Another biblical case of @home incest takes place in Genesis 19:30-38 where the
two surviving daughters of Abraham's nephew Lot got their dad drunk, and
themselves knocked up.

The girls weren't motivated by naughty passions (though considering where they
grew up it wouldn't be surprising). They were honestly concerned about one-- or
possibly both --of two things: they'd either finish out their lives as childless old
maids or their father's family tree would terminate with him.

Anyway, long story short, the eldest girl became preggers with a baby boy that she
named Moab. From that little guy eventually came the very famous woman named
Ruth-- herself destined to become one of David's distant grandmothers via her son
Obed.
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[Odë:hgöd]

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Ruth-- herself destined to become one of David's distant grandmothers via her son
Obed.

David is a key player in Christ's biological genealogy.

• Rev 22:16 . . I am the offspring of David

The Greek word translated "offspring" is genos (ghen'-os) which basically refers to
kin, viz: one's relatives.

Christ's kinship with David is quite a bit more specific in Rom 1:1-3 where it says:

"Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh"

The Greek word translated "seed" in that passage is sperma (sper'-mah) which is a
bit ambiguous because it can refer to spiritual progeny as well as to biological
progeny; for example:

• Gal 3:29 . . If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed.

That seed is obviously spiritual progeny; whereas David's is biological because it's
"according to the flesh" i.e. his physical human body.

So then, Jesus' flesh is David and Bathsheba's flesh, and David's flesh in turn is
Boaz and Ruth's flesh, and Boaz's flesh in turn is Adam and Eve's flesh.

It's all pretty interesting when considering that Jesus' flesh is the result of two of
the most famous cases of incest on record-- Adam and Eve, and Lot and his eldest
daughter. But that was back when incest was much safer than it is now.
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[Lamb]

Adam & Eve did not commit incest.

 

[Odë:hgöd]

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Adam & Eve did not commit incest.

According to Deut 5:2-4, Rom 4:15, Rom 5:13, and Gal 3:17 the laws of God are
not retroactive, viz: incest is not a violation where there is no rule against it.
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[Odë:hgöd]

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FAQ: What's different from when incest was legal and later when it became illegal?

A: The human body's vitality has undergone quite a bit of deterioration over the
years. For example; prior to the Flood, the body could get by on fruits, vegetables,
and grains. After the Flood, its diet was adjusted to include meats.

Apparently the inclusion of meat in Man's diet after the Flood was intended
primarily as a source of natural supplements to make up for the human body's
gradually lessening ability to manufacture all its own essential vitamins; much the
same reason that modern vegans resort to synthetic supplements in order to avoid
contracting deficiency diseases.

According to an article in the Dec 10, 2013 Science section of the New York Times,
scientists believe that the early human body was able to manufacture all of its own
essential vitamins; but over time gradually lost the ability to manufacture all but K
and D.

That seems plausible to me seeing as how Noah lived to be 950 years old, but by
the time of Abraham, the human life span had decreased considerably to 175,
which Gen 25:7-8 describes as a ripe old age; so the human body was obviously a
whole lot healthier before it became necessary for God to prohibit incest in the
covenant that His people agreed upon with Him in the books of Exodus, Leviticus,
Numbers, and Deuteronomy.
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[Fritz Kobus]

Excellent points, now if NYT would figure loss of ability to manufacture vitimins contradicts the standard evolutionary story.

As for incest, it was not incest before incest was defined. It was just normal relations.

 

[Stravinsk]

Eh, I don't buy the whole "Eve was Adam's daughter" bit, but insofar as incest is concerned...

Let's not forget Noah and the flood. Weren't Noah and his family the only ones on the ark? Hence, to pro-create would necessarily mean...

 

[Nomad]

I don't get along the argument that Eve was Adam's daughter just because she was created from Adam. However, it is also true that Adam and Eve were the first man and the woman and their kids has to inbreed to populate the earth.

 

[Fritz Kobus]

I don't get along the argument that Eve was Adam's daughter just because she was created from Adam. However, it is also true that Adam and Eve were the first man and the woman and their kids has to inbreed to populate the earth.

I would not consider Eve to be Adam's daughter, but in a sense she is a descendant of Adam as she is from him.