Eve's Offspring & Mary's

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• Gen 3:15 . . And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between
your offspring and hers. He will crush your head, and you will strike his heel.

Most everyone on both sides of the aisle agree that's a prophesy referring to Christ.
Now, the question we must resolve is the origin of Eve's offspring.

Her entire body was constructed with material taken from Adam's body, which of
course had to include her body's ovaries. So then any, and all, offspring produced
by Eve's ovaries have Adam to thank for their existence.

Ergo: even if Eve's offspring were all virgin-conceived they would still be Adam's
offspring because it was from his body's flesh and blood that Eve's body obtained
its flesh and blood.

There exists a pretty good number of sincere Christians out there who honestly
believe that Jesus' virgin conception disconnected him from Adam. But unless
someone can prove, without a hint of sensible doubt, that Mary's flesh and blood
did not descend from Eve's flesh and blood, then we must conclude that baby Jesus'
flesh and blood descended from Eve's; and if from Eve's, then from Adam's, and if
from Adam's, then from the very dust that God used to construct the first Man in
the book of Genesis.
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[Tigger]

Sure, Christ is 100% man (& 100% God). Therefore what was assumed in His incarnation can be redeemed in the resurrection.

 

[Fritz Kobus]

Jesus had human flesh of Mary. What he did not have was the seed of a man. Rather he had the seed of a woman ('her seed" Genesis 3:15). Somehow, Jesus had the same flesh that we do and that flesh could have engaged in sin had the inhabitant of that flesh so chosen (but thankfully he didn't). Otherwise he could not have been subjected to temptation "like as we are" as he "was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin" (Hebrews 4:15"). And I think this shows that we are not born with guilt of sin, but are born with a nature that is prone to sin. Jesus' nature was not prone to sin because of who he is "for God cannot be tempted with evil" (James 1:13). So it would appear that temptation came his way just as it comes our way, but that Jesus did not accept the temptation like we so often do "when [we are] drawn away of [our] own lust, and enticed" (James 1:14).

 

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What he did not have was the seed of a man.

According to the information given in Post No.1 and Gen 5:2, along with what you
are about to see in this post: females are just as much Man as males.


• Rev 22:16 . . I am the offspring of David

The Greek word translated "offspring" is genos (ghen'-os) which basically refers to
kin, viz: one's relatives.

Christ's kinship with David is quite a bit more specific in Rom 1:1-3 where it says:

"Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh"

The Greek word translated "seed" in that passage is sperma (sper'-mah) which is a
bit ambiguous because it can refer to spiritual progeny as well as to biological
progeny; for example:

• Gal 3:29 . . If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed.

That seed is obviously spiritual progeny; whereas David's is biological because it's
"according to the flesh" i.e. his physical human body.

Seeing as Jesus' dad Joseph played no role in his son's conception, and his wife was
a virgin at the time, then Jesus' physical connection to David defaults thru his
mother, i.e. Mary was related to David; which places her baby in David's tribe; the
tribe of Judah. (Heb 7:14)

This fact may be somewhat insignificant to most Gentiles-- other than their interest
in Christ's connection to Abraham's promises --but Jesus' physical connection to
David is extremely important to the Jews because in order to validate Jesus' right to
rule over the land of Israel, he absolutely must be biologically situated in the
Davidic dynasty: no getting around it. (2Sam 7:8 17 and Ps 89:3-4)



FAQ: From whence did baby Jesus obtain a Y chromosome for his male gender?

A: In the beginning, God constructed Eve's entire body with some material taken
from Adam's body, so I'd imagine it would be no more difficult for God to construct
a teensy little Y chromosome for baby Jesus with some material taken from Mary's
body.

The beauty of it is that a Y chromosome constructed with material taken from
Mary's body would not be an alien substance created ex nihilo; but would be 100%
natural, and easily traceable all the way back to Eve, and from thence to the very
dust that was used to construct Adam's body.

I can't prove any of this of course, but nevertheless I sincerely believe that what I
suggest herein actually took place when the power of the Most High overshadowed
Jesus' mom per Luke 1:35; and if my suggestion is true, then little Jesus was
thoroughly a Jew from top to bottom-- biologically descended from not only David,
but also Adam, the Man that God created in the book of Genesis.

• Heb 2:17 . . He had to be made like his brethren in every way

NOTE: Most Christians will readily attest that Jesus Christ is fully God and fully Man;
while in reality a number of them believe he is some sort of divine hominid
implanted in Mary's uterus; i.e. they honestly believe Jesus' mom was his surrogate
mother rather than his biological mother.
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[Fritz Kobus]

NOTE: Most Christians will readily attest that Jesus Christ is fully God and fully
Man; while in reality they believe he is some sort of divine hominid planted in
Mary's uterus; i.e. they believe Jesus' mom was his surrogate mother rather than
his biological mother.
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Other than Menno Simons, I am not aware of anyone holding a view like that.