Is John Chapter 6 (esp v32 to end) about Holy Communion

[Fritz Kobus]

Bible Gateway passage: John 6 - King James Version
I have seen this taught both ways.

Some argue that it cannot be about holy communion because it occurred long before the communion was instituted and so the disciples would not have understood.

I have wondered if it is about communion because Jesus is a sacrifice for our sin and in the Old Testament the people ate the sacrifice, but they were forbidden to drink the blood, yet here we are told to drink the blood.

 

[Spindle4]

Bible Gateway passage: John 6 - King James Version
I have seen this taught both ways.

Some argue that it cannot be about holy communion because it occurred long before the communion was instituted and so the disciples would not have understood.

I have wondered if it is about communion because Jesus is a sacrifice for our sin and in the Old Testament the people ate the sacrifice, but they were forbidden to drink the blood, yet here we are told to drink the blood.

Hi,

To me the parallels are obvious.

Nobody literally eats the physical body of Christ or literally drinks His physical blood so we transcend to the spiritual application which is the symbolic ingestion of Christ so as to be nourished and invigorated by all that He consists of.

The Lord's Supper is a remembrance and proclamation of this.

 

[Josiah]

I don't think so.



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[atpollard]

I have wondered if it is about communion because Jesus is a sacrifice for our sin and in the Old Testament the people ate the sacrifice, but they were forbidden to drink the blood, yet here we are told to drink the blood.

I do not think it points directly to the communion, rather I believe that this, Passover, and Communion all point to the same supernatural reality (even as the Tabernacle/Temple was created to point to a Heavenly reality). Christ in us and us in Christ is the miraculous reality initiated by God and pointed to in all of these events.

[John 17]​

20 "I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word; 21 that they may all be one; even as You, Father, [are] in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me. 22 "The glory which You have given Me I have given to them, that they may be one, just as We are one; 23 I in them and You in Me, that they may be perfected in unity, so that the world may know that You sent Me, and loved them, even as You have loved Me. 24 "Father, I desire that they also, whom You have given Me, be with Me where I am, so that they may see My glory which You have given Me, for You loved Me before the foundation of the world. 25 "O righteous Father, although the world has not known You, yet I have known You; and these have known that You sent Me; 26 and I have made Your name known to them, and will make it known, so that the love with which You loved Me may be in them, and I in them."​

 

[Faithhopeandcharity]

Dogma catholic and divine faith revealed by God and proposed for our belief by holy mother church!

186. The Body and Blood of Jesus Christ are truly, really and substantially present in the Eucharist.
187. Christ becomes present in the Sacrament of the Altar by the transformation of the whole
substance of the bread into His Body and the whole substance of the wine into His Blood.
188. The Accidents of bread and wine continue after the change of the substance.
189. The Body and the Blood of Christ together with His Soul and His Divinity and therefore the
Whole Christ are truly present in the Eucharist.
190. The Whole Christ is present under each of the two Species.
191. When either consecrated species is divided the Whole Christ is present in each part of the species.
192. After the Consecration has been completed the Body and Blood are permanently present in the Eucharist.
193. The Worship of Adoration (latria) must be given to Christ present in the Eucharist.
194. The Eucharist is a true Sacrament instituted by Christ.
195. The matter for the consummation of the Eucharist is bread and wine.
196. For children before the age of reason the reception of the Eucharist is not necessary for salvation.
197. Communion under two forms is not necessary for any individual member of the Faithful,
either by reason of Divine precept or as a means of salvation.
198. The power of consecration resides in a validly consecrated priest only.
199. The Sacrament of the Eucharist can be validly received by every baptized person in the
wayfaring state, including young children.
200. For the worthy reception of the Eucharist the state of grace as well as the proper and pious disposition are necessary.
201. The Holy Mass is a true and proper Sacrifice.
202. In the Sacrifice of the Mass, Christ’s Sacrifice on the Cross is made present, its memory is celebrated, and its saving power is applied.
203. In the Sacrifice of the Mass and in the Sacrifice of the Cross the Sacrificial Gift and the Primary Sacrificing Priest are identical; only the nature and mode of the offering are different.
204. The Sacrifice of the Mass is not merely a sacrifice of praise and thanksgiving, but also a sacrifice of expiation and impetration.

 

[Fritz Kobus]

So that is what the catechism says? But how about showing the Bible verses to support each point. That would be more convincing.