Enoch and Elijah

[Faith]

Where does the LCMS teach that Enoch, Elijah and the chariot are? Floating around in space or what? And how could an earthly made thing like a chariot fly off into the sky?
Only LCMS answers please.

 

[Faith]

My pastor said that Enoch and Elijah are where everybody else who’s died are….so is heaven in another dimension?
As far as the chariot, he said that it’s supernatural. But isn’t that a little fantastical?

 

[Josiah]

Where does the LCMS teach that Enoch, Elijah and the chariot are? Floating around in space or what? And how could an earthly made thing like a chariot fly off into the sky?
Only LCMS answers please.

It doesn't.



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[Origen]

Where does the LCMS teach that Enoch, Elijah and the chariot are? Floating around in space or what? And how could an earthly made thing like a chariot fly off into the sky?
Only LCMS answers please.

It wasn't an earthly chariot.

"As they were walking along and talking together, suddenly a chariot of fire and horses of fire appeared and separated the two of them, and Elijah went up to heaven in a whirlwind." (NIV)

 

[Faith]

It doesn't.



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The LCMS doesn’t have an opinion on where E and E are and subsequently where heaven is?

 

[Faith]

Where is Heaven? | St. Mark Ministries

i don’t know what kind of Lutheran church this is, but they seem to answer my question.

EDIT: oh it’s WELS. Is that similar to LCMS? To my knowledge we don’t have WELS here, where I live.

 

[Faith]

What do you think, all?

 

[Josiah]

Where is Heaven? | St. Mark Ministries

i don’t know what kind of Lutheran church this is, but they seem to answer my question.

EDIT: oh it’s WELS. Is that similar to LCMS? To my knowledge we don’t have WELS here, where I live.

Friend,

Your question never even mentioned heaven....

The link you provided is not to any denomination (certainly not the LCMS) but the view of one Lutheran pastor. I'm fine with it, but it's a personal opinion, not a denominational stance. He of course never mentions Elijah or Elisha or how God did this miracle.


Blessings!


Josiah


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[Faith]

Friend,

Your question never even mentioned heaven....

The link you provided is not to any denomination (certainly not the LCMS) but the view of one Lutheran pastor. I'm fine with it, but it's a personal opinion, not a denominational stance. He of course never mentions Elijah or Elisha or how God did this miracle.


Blessings!


Josiah


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About Elijah and Enoch, are they floating around in space or WHAT?
And where/what is heaven, other than Gods dwelling place? Like is it another dimension or realm or what?

 

[Faith]

Friend,

Your question never even mentioned heaven....

The link you provided is not to any denomination (certainly not the LCMS) but the view of one Lutheran pastor. I'm fine with it, but it's a personal opinion, not a denominational stance. He of course never mentions Elijah or Elisha or how God did this miracle.


Blessings!


Josiah


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It might not be an official Lutheran view but it makes most sense to me. Can a LCMS member hold to this view?

 

[Josiah]

It might not be an official Lutheran view but it makes most sense to me. Can a LCMS member hold to this view?

I can't think why not.


Blessings, my friend.



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[Lamb]

As Lutherans we really try not to put any claim onto things that God hasn't specifically told us about. Speculation can be dangerous territory and it's perfectly fine to say I Don't Know.

 

[Josiah]

As Lutherans we really try not to put any claim onto things that God hasn't specifically told us about. Speculation can be dangerous territory and it's perfectly fine to say I Don't Know.

One of the things I LOVE about Lutheranism....


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[Faith]

As Lutherans we really try not to put any claim onto things that God hasn't specifically told us about. Speculation can be dangerous territory and it's perfectly fine to say I Don't Know.

Yeah, it seemed to me, at least, that in Catholicism they had to have an answer for everything. But I’ve noticed my pastor sometimes saying “I don’t know”.

 

[Lamb]

Yeah, it seemed to me, at least, that in Catholicism they had to have an answer for everything. But I’ve noticed my pastor sometimes saying “I don’t know”.

It's better than spreading potential false information (which breaks a commandment) since we don't know with full certainty.

 

[Faith]

It's better than spreading potential false information (which breaks a commandment) since we don't know with full certainty.

I don’t mind speculation and in the case of my OP I wanted suggestions, but there’s a difference between speculation and acting like you have a definitive answer for everything. You know….”look it up in the catechism.” And more times than not the catechism didn’t answer my question, anyway.

 

[Josiah]

Schwaffel

My doctrine teacher taught us a good German word often used in this connection.... I don't know how to spell it, but I'll try with "schwaffel." It's a term of derision but used in a friendly way.... it means to opinate... to go on and on AS IF you know what the _____ you are talking about. Something done with friends while enjoying several beers. NOT to ne taken seriously... God is probably laughing.

IMO, schwaffel is okay..... AS LONG AS everyone realizes that's ALL it is. Ain't fact.... ain't doctrine... ain't teaching (or at least should NOT be). Just self mouthing off with personal theory (or just mouthing off). Lutherans allow this... even enjoy this.... BUT you gotta be careful who is at the table enjoying beers, some don't know what schwaffel is, some take this seriously.



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[Faith]

Schwaffel

My doctrine teacher taught us a good German word often used in this connection.... I don't know how to spell it, but I'll try with "schwaffel." It's a term of derision but used in a friendly way.... it means to opinate... to go on and on AS IF you know what you what the _____ you are talking about. Something done with friends while enjoying several beers. NOT to ne taken seriously... God is probably laughing.

IMO, schwaffel is okay..... AS LONG AS everyone realizes that's ALL it is. Ain't fact.... ain't doctrine... ain't teaching (or at least should NOT be). Just self mouthing off with personal theory (or just mouthing off). Lutherans allow this... even enjoy this.... BUT you gotta be careful who is at the table enjoying beers, some don't know what schwaffel is, some take this seriously.



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Very true!

 

[NathanH83]

Where does the LCMS teach that Enoch, Elijah and the chariot are? Floating around in space or what? And how could an earthly made thing like a chariot fly off into the sky?
Only LCMS answers please.

What’s LCMS?
Seems to me that they’re in heaven.
Floating in space seems pretty boring.

 

[Faith]

What’s LCMS?
Seems to me that they’re in heaven.
Floating in space seems pretty boring.

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