God hates certain people.

[Bouan Philippe]

God hated Esau according to Malachi 1:3 and Romans 9:13.

But what are the implications?

God's hatred of Esau implies that He must also hate other people who have sinned, just as Esau had sinned against Him.

For why should Esau be the only one who was hated by God?

Such a conjecture is called an "implicit truth" according to Catholic doctrine, which has a Truth value that is equivalent to the theory that all human ancestors have originated on the African continent.

Based on the Human Genome Project such a conjecture is UNAVOIDABLE due to the European and Asian genomes being subsets of African DNA.

Such a conjecture is not mere "speculation", but is UNAVOIDABLE, which makes it into an "implicit truth" in a totally different league from the realm of "speculation".

Which begs the question: Why should Esau be the only one who was hated by God?

Such a question has the most profound and far reaching implications as concerning God's Wrath and hatred of his enemies in Nahum 1:2.

Why should Esau be the only one?

Does it need to be spelled out?

 

[Josiah]

IMO...

God hates everyone. He also loves everyone.

The hatred is a function of the Law and God's Justice.
The love is a function of the Gospel and God's heart.

The two "meet" at the Cross.



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[Bouan Philippe]

IMO...

God hates everyone. He also loves everyone.

The hatred is a function of the Law and God's Justice.
The love is a function of the Gospel and God's heart.

The two "meet" at the Cross.



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The two are juxtaposed, but they coexist.

Example: [Staff Edit]

His "generosity" is juxtaposed against the strict rules and limitations of "charity".

 

[atpollard]

God's hatred of Esau implies that He must also hate other people who have sinned, just as Esau had sinned against Him.

Irrespective of what it may or may not IMPLY, Romans 9 presents God’s explanation of HIS REASONS:

[Romans 9:10-13 NKJV]
10 And not only [this], but when Rebecca also had conceived by one man, [even] by our father Isaac 11 (for [the children] not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls), 12 it was said to her, "The older shall serve the younger." 13 As it is written, "Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated."

[Romans 9:15-18 NKJV]
15 For He says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion." 16 So then [it is] not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to the Pharaoh, "For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth." 18 Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens.

[Romans 9:21-24 NKJV]
21 Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor? 22 [What] if God, wanting to show [His] wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, 24 even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

 

[Andrew]

God hated Esau according to Malachi 1:3 and Romans 9:13.

But what are the implications?

God's hatred of Esau implies that He must also hate other people who have sinned, just as Esau had sinned against Him.

For why should Esau be the only one who was hated by God?

Such a conjecture is called an "implicit truth" according to Catholic doctrine, which has a Truth value that is equivalent to the theory that all human ancestors have originated on the African continent.

Based on the Human Genome Project such a conjecture is UNAVOIDABLE due to the European and Asian genomes being subsets of African DNA.

Such a conjecture is not mere "speculation", but is UNAVOIDABLE, which makes it into an "implicit truth" in a totally different league from the realm of "speculation".

Which begs the question: Why should Esau be the only one who was hated by God?

Such a question has the most profound and far reaching implications as concerning God's Wrath and hatred of his enemies in Nahum 1:2.

Why should Esau be the only one?

Does it need to be spelled out?

Hate in that context meant "thorn seed", a thorny seed is avoided, Esau rejected his own birthright for temporary pleasure and forsook his blessing which also pained his father Issac.

Although Jacob fooled his father he still received the blessing and set off to do what God had planned of him.

I think the lesson here is that God loved Jacob even though he was deceptive over Esau who denied his God given birth right and thus denied Gods plan for him.

Judas im sure became equally hated for turning to temporary pleasure over Gods blessed Son and his own Apostleship.

 

[Faith]

IMO...

God hates everyone. He also loves everyone.

The hatred is a function of the Law and God's Justice.
The love is a function of the Gospel and God's heart.

The two "meet" at the Cross.



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This is the first time I’ve ever heard that God hates anyone.

 

[Andrew]

This is the first time I’ve ever heard that God hates anyone.

Hate in context is totally different than what you are thinking, mankind has been a THORNED SEED ever since the fall for we all have given our birth rights over to pleasure, God LOVES everyone enough to redeem those who accept His Love.

 

[hedrick]

In Rom 11 we learn that God's rejection is temporary. He chose to work in different ways though different people, but in the end will accept them all.

Jacob was the ancestor of Israel. So God's choice of Jacob was really the beginning of his choice of Israel. But Israel was chosen to be the light to the Gentiles, and in Romans we see that God's plan included grafting the Gentiles into Israel.

(Incidentally, I'm not saying the Rom 11:32 is necessarily universalist, though it might be. In this section of Romans, Paul is dealing with groups, not individuals.)

 

[Josiah]

This is the first time I’ve ever heard that God hates anyone.

See Psalm 5:5 for starters.... "HATE" has to do with extreme disapproval. Are all sinners? Does God very much disapprove of sin?

Yet God's love is UNCONDITIONAL, NOT related to whether He approves or disapproves of us. God IS love... and thus God loves. Even those who offend Him.



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[Faith]

See Psalm 5:5 for starters.... "HATE" has to do with extreme disapproval. Are all sinners? Does God very much disapprove of sin?

Yet God's love is UNCONDITIONAL, NOT related to whether He approves or disapproves of us. God IS love... and thus God loves. Even those who offend Him.



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I just read the NIV version of the Scripture and it sounds like God does hate certain people, after all. No?

 

[hedrick]

I think you’re trying to treat the Bible as a set of propositions in symbolic logic rather than literature. In normal human life it is possible to hate someone that you love because of some immediate situation. I guess you could translate that as disapproval, but among humans there is often an emotion like hate involved, even though you really love them.

 

[Origen]

It's idiomatic Hebrew.

Idiom - a group of words established by usage as having a meaning not deducible from those of the individual words

An excellent example can be found in Gen. 29:30.

"He [i.e. Jacob] loved Rachel more than Leah."

According to this verse both women were loved by Jacob, only Rachel was loved more than Leah. Then in very next verse it states:

"When the Lord saw that Leah was hated..."

What? Where did that come from?

On the face of it this might appear to be a contradiction. Verse 30 clearly states that Jacob loved Rachel more than Leah, not that he hated her. The Hebrew word for "hate" (i.e. שָׂנֵא) in such contexts is not always to be taken in an absolute or psychological sense. Give the background to this story it means that Leah was not the wife Jacob wanted. Thus Leah was not the chosen, preferred wife.

There are many other example of this type of usage in the Scriptures.

 

[Josiah]

I think you’re trying to treat the Bible as a set of propositions in symbolic logic rather than literature. In normal human life it is possible to hate someone that you love because of some immediate situation. I guess you could translate that as disapproval, but among humans there is often an emotion like hate involved, even though you really love them.

IMO,

This isn't too hard to grasp. "Hate" is not the opposite of love, it's the opposite of like. Like has to do with approving, finding it agreeable. But love (agape anyway) is unconditional, it has nothing to do with approving of something or someone. God IS love. And so God loves.

As a parent (as God is!), I sometimes VERY much DISapprove of what my son does. My justice is aroused. My anger is justified. Even in a sinner like me. BUT I love him with all my being.... he is precious in my sight.... he is far more important to me than I am....I would die for him.

God's justice and God's grace can co-exist but of course may not be reconciled apart from a loving sacrifice.... the only means would be to express that justice in a loving way.


Blessings!

Josiah

 

[Andrew]

I just read the NIV version of the Scripture and it sounds like God does hate certain people, after all. No?

The Hebrew word "Hate" is "sane" (not the same as the english "sane"). It's comprised by the words for "thorn" and "seed" for thorny seeds are rejected. Esau sold his birth right for temporary pleasure (Jacobs stew), thus he rejected Gods blessing and for this God rejected him and blessed Jacob (through Isaac's blessing)

Hate=rejection

 

[Origen]

The Hebrew word "Hate" is "sane" (not the same as the english "sane"). It's comprised by the words for "thorn" and "seed" for thorny seeds are rejected.

Where did you get that information?

 

[Andrew]

Where did you get that information?

Hebrew Word for Hate

“Sane’ ” (saw-nay’) is the Hebrew word that is often translated as hate. The ancient pictographic letters for “sane” are a thorn and a seed. The Ancient Hebrew Lexicon of the Bible explains this:

The pictograph is a picture of a thorn, then is a picture of seed. Combined these mean “thorn seed.” The thorn, (the seed of a plant with small sharp points) cause one to turn directions to avoid them.” (“The Ancient Hebrew Lexicon of the Bible,” by Jeff A. Benner. ISBN 1-58939-776-2.)

Ancient Hebrew Lexicon of the Bible

Ancient Hebrew Lexicon of the Bible

www.academia.edu

 

[Andrew]

Note: it's from ancient Hebrew

 

[Cassia]

I do not think it means what you think it means

Hate: The Essence Revealed in Job | Living Word Discovery

Hate Hebrew Pictures Meaning The Story of JOB part 6 Hate Aleph Noon Sheen Shna Would you be surprised if I told you that the essence of HATE is revealed in the name of Job? To be clear, I am not saying, as other bible scholars have speculated, that the name JOB can

livingwordin3d.com

 

[Origen]

“Sane’ ” (saw-nay’) is the Hebrew word that is often translated as hate. The ancient pictographic letters for “sane” are a thorn and a seed. The Ancient Hebrew Lexicon of the Bible explains this:

The pictograph is a picture of a thorn, then is a picture of seed. Combined these mean “thorn seed.” The thorn, (the seed of a plant with small sharp points) cause one to turn directions to avoid them.” (“The Ancient Hebrew Lexicon of the Bible,” by Jeff A. Benner. ISBN 1-58939-776-2.)

Benner is not a Hebrew language scholar. He has no academic training whatsoever.

This is Hebrew verb "to hate" is שָׂנֵא and it has nothing to do with nouns "thorn" or "seed."


This is the Hebrew noun for "seed" זֶ֫רַע.


This is the Hebrew noun for "thorn" קוֹץ.

All examples taken from The Dictionary of Classical Hebrew edited by David A.J. Clines.

None of these words are related in any way. In fact noun of them even share one consonant between them.

 

[Andrew]

Benner is not a Hebrew language scholar. He has no academic training whatsoever.

This is Hebrew verb "to hate" is שָׂנֵא and it has nothing to do with nouns "thorn" or "seed."
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This is the Hebrew noun for "seed" זֶ֫רַע.
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This is the Hebrew noun for "thorn" קוֹץ.
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All examples taken from The Dictionary of Classical Hebrew edited by David A.J. Clines.

None of these words are related in any way. In fact noun of them even share one consonant between them.

I thought he was basing it off ancient paleo Hebrew?
Also not the words thorn or seed but the pictograph taking the shape of a thorn (wedge?) and an oblong circle for seed?
If not I stand corrected