How long were the Israelites in Egypt?

[pinacled]

All I can show is the math from Abraham to Jacob’s arrival in Egypt.

But Paul says that there’s 430 years from Abraham’s promise to The receiving of the law (on Sinai, the same year as the Exodus)

So using Paul’s statement, you can subtract the 215 years from the 430 years.

Abraham s promise?

 

[NathanH83]

Abraham s promise?

Yes, the promise concerning his seed. It’s what he had just arrived in Canaan, when he was 75

 

[atpollard]

Since this is quickly retreating from "Bible" study into "Septuagint" study, I will offer a quick summary and depart for studies of what the BIBLE says.

1. Extra-biblical records are not "god-breathed" and are, therefore, prone to error.
2. You are misusing the Genealogies (as I have already discussed at length).
3. If multiple witnesses writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit agree on 430 years, an active attempt to disprove what two or three witnesses have established as fact is not scholarship ... it is anti-Christian apologetics and has no place in the "Christian only Forums".

It was a good question, too bad you were not really seeking an honest answer.

 

[Andrew]

Since this is quickly retreating from "Bible" study into "Septuagint" study, I will offer a quick summary and depart for studies of what the BIBLE says.

1. Extra-biblical records are not "god-breathed" and are, therefore, prone to error.
2. You are misusing the Genealogies (as I have already discussed at length).
3. If multiple witnesses writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit agree on 430 years, an active attempt to disprove what two or three witnesses have established as fact is not scholarship ... it is anti-Christian apologetics and has no place in the "Christian only Forums".

It was a good question, too bad you were not really seeking an honest answer.

The EOC considers the Septuagint canon so apocrypha/septuagint books are allowed in the bible study forum

 

[NathanH83]

Since this is quickly retreating from "Bible" study into "Septuagint" study, I will offer a quick summary and depart for studies of what the BIBLE says.

1. Extra-biblical records are not "god-breathed" and are, therefore, prone to error.
2. You are misusing the Genealogies (as I have already discussed at length).
3. If multiple witnesses writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit agree on 430 years, an active attempt to disprove what two or three witnesses have established as fact is not scholarship ... it is anti-Christian apologetics and has no place in the "Christian only Forums".

It was a good question, too bad you were not really seeking an honest answer.

Oh, I’m sorry. You thought I was referencing something extra-biblical.

No, I’m referencing Galatians 3:17, which is in your Bible.

Paul says that the 430 years starts with Abraham receiving the promise, and ends with Moses receiving the law.

Can I assume that you accept Paul as a reliable witness?

 

[pinacled]

Oh, I’m sorry. You thought I was referencing something extra-biblical.

No, I’m referencing Galatians 3:17, which is in your Bible.

Paul says that the 430 years starts with Abraham receiving the promise, and ends with Moses receiving the law.

Can I assume that you accept Paul as a reliable witness?

Were you confused or attempting to confuse others?

 

[Andrew]

Were you confused or attempting to confuse others?

Please stop with the insults

 

[NathanH83]

Show the math from abraham to release

I’d be glad to. But I already explained it and you didn’t listen.
So, since I put so much work into explaining it in a video, I’ll let you watch that.

 

[NathanH83]

 

[pinacled]

Your math is a bit off.
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[Lamb]

I have done a thread clean up. Let's stay on topic and not insult.

 

[Lamb]

Your math is a bit off.
Advertising without permission is no no

We don't allow advertising of products but he's always been allowed to share his YouTube videos here at the site.

 

[NathanH83]

Your math is a bit off.
Advertising without permission is no no

I’m not selling a product. No advertising is taking place.
You asked for the math. There it is.

 

[NathanH83]

Your math is a bit off.
Advertising without permission is no no

If you want to explain how “my math is off” then feel free.

 

[atpollard]

The EOC considers the Septuagint canon so apocrypha/septuagint books are allowed in the bible study forum

That may be true, but I do not join in “Bible Study” questions on scripture to debate specific manuscripts in languages that I am not fluent in ... so the Septuagint and the Vulgate and the various Hebrew texts and compilations have no value for me in discussing the meaning of a specific verse or apparent contradiction between multiple verses. So they may be allowed, but I am not obligated to discuss them and I am free to withdraw from any discussion that morphs from “what scripture says” to “this manuscript differs from that manuscript”.

Textural criticism is really NOT the same as Bible Study.

 

[Andrew]

That may be true, but I do not join in “Bible Study” questions on scripture to debate specific manuscripts in languages that I am not fluent in ... so the Septuagint and the Vulgate and the various Hebrew texts and compilations have no value for me in discussing the meaning of a specific verse or apparent contradiction between multiple verses. So they may be allowed, but I am not obligated to discuss them and I am free to withdraw from any discussion that morphs from “what scripture says” to “this manuscript differs from that manuscript”.

Textural criticism is really NOT the same as Bible Study.

But still, not all Christians are protestants, any apologetic work has some textual criticism in the program.

For instance Jews and Christians converse on what certain words really mean in the efforts of applying their exegesis.

You are free to do as you wish, maybe ask Romanos what discussions should be allowed in Bible Study if you are really concerned

 

[atpollard]

For those TRULY interested in the issue from a “Textural Criticism” perspective, here is REAL data on the pro’s and con’s of the actual texts:

Exodus 12:20 Textual Variants

Knock yourself out and enjoy.

 

[Andrew]

For those TRULY interested in the issue from a “Textural Criticism” perspective, here is REAL data on the pro’s and con’s of the actual texts:

Exodus 12:20 Textual Variants

Knock yourself out and enjoy.

It directed me to download a pdf, should it had done that?

Anyway, what about Mathematical Criticism?

 

[atpollard]

FYI ... Your video jumps off the rails at about 4:20 when you start falsely ascribing the Masoretic Text as the “forbidden fruit” from which all evil translations spring. That is factually and historically incorrect. Even setting aside all Hebrew texts, the texts you sited in support of the 215 years in Cannan and 215 years in Egypt have both internal inconsistencies and inconsistencies between them that point to spurious words added to the texts and casting doubts on the 215 year solution.

When one adds to that the actual Hebrew scroll fragments of Exodus that predate the Maesoretic text (and the Septuagint) that agree with the later Masoretic Text and form the basis of the Majority Text that modern translations are actually based on ... the 430 years in Egypt becomes more likely than not the original wording in Exodus.

You can still ask for an explanation, but you cannot say that the Septuagint is the original wording and the Masoretic Text is a mistranslation when the oldest manuscripts indicate exactly the opposite for Exodus 12:20.

 

[atpollard]

It directed me to download a pdf, should it had done that?

You CAN download the PDF if you want a copy, or just scroll down and read the article below that point.