How long were the Israelites in Egypt?

[NathanH83]

How about this?…

Paul says in Galatians 3:17 that Moses received the law 430 years after Abraham received the promise concerning his seed.

Interesting.

Abraham received that promise the moment he arrived in Canaan.

Hmmm…is Paul saying that the 430 years applies to both Egypt and Canaan? That’s what the Greek Septuagint and Samaritan Pentateuch say!

Why would Paul agree with the Greek Septuagint over the Hebrew Masoretic?

 

[pinacled]

How about this?…

Paul says in Galatians 3:17 that Moses received the law 430 years after Abraham received the promise concerning his seed.

Interesting.

Abraham received that promise the moment he arrived in Canaan.

Hmmm…is Paul saying that the 430 years applies to both Egypt and Canaan? That’s what the Greek Septuagint and Samaritan Pentateuch say!

Why would Paul agree with the Greek Septuagint over the Hebrew Masoretic?

That is an interesting topographical perspective.
Perhaps the yrs in egypt began with yosef?

 

[NathanH83]

That is an interesting topographical perspective.
Perhaps the yrs in egypt began with yosef?

If the 430 starts with Abraham arriving in Canaan, and Abraham was 75 at that time, and then 25 years later Isaac was born, and then Jacob 60 years later, and then Jacob going to Egypt 130 years later, then…

25 + 60 + 130 = 215

Soo….if there’s 215 years from the time Abraham arrived in Canaan to when Jacob arrived in Egypt, and there’s 430 years from the time Abraham arrived in Canaan to when Moses received the law, then…

430 - 215 = 215.

Seems to me like 215 years in Egypt.

 

[pinacled]

If the 430 starts with Abraham arriving in Canaan, and Abraham was 75 at that time, and then 25 years later Isaac was born, and then Jacob 60 years later, and then Jacob going to Egypt 130 years later, then…

25 + 60 + 130 = 215

Soo….if there’s 215 years from the time Abraham arrived in Canaan to when Jacob arrived in Egypt, and there’s 430 years from the time Abraham arrived in Canaan to when Moses received the law, then…

430 - 215 = 215.

Seems to me like 215 years in Egypt.

Your garment is lacking

 

[pinacled]

If the 430 starts with Abraham arriving in Canaan, and Abraham was 75 at that time, and then 25 years later Isaac was born, and then Jacob 60 years later, and then Jacob going to Egypt 130 years later, then…

25 + 60 + 130 = 215

Soo….if there’s 215 years from the time Abraham arrived in Canaan to when Jacob arrived in Egypt, and there’s 430 years from the time Abraham arrived in Canaan to when Moses received the law, then…

430 - 215 = 215.

Seems to me like 215 years in Egypt.

Count the seeds in a grape and you'll find an innumerous amount of stars likened to the layers of a pearl containing great treasure.

If you wish to sow a seed of doubt, you're not welcome here

 

[NathanH83]

Count the seeds in a grape and you'll find an innumerous amount of stars likened to the layers of a pearl containing great treasure.

If you wish to sow a seed of doubt, you're not welcome here

I’m not asking you to doubt Paul’s words in Galatians 3:17. Are you?
Sounds like 215 years in Egypt.
Septuagint gets it right again.

 

[pinacled]

I’m not asking you to doubt Paul’s words in Galatians 3:17. Are you?
Sounds like 215 years in Egypt.
Septuagint gets it right again.

If gematriot is what you seek then beset an Avenue where others have understanding.

 

[NathanH83]

Asked and answered.
How is it possible that there were tens of thousands of them a generation later? Moses had LOTS of children?

Jews are STILL sons and daughters of Abraham. Abraham is their father. Yet they were not born thousands of years ago and Abraham is not still alive. You are ignoring the literary tradition of the strong bond to family lineage.

Moses mother was of the TRIBE of Levi, just like the tens of thousands of others counted in the census that I mentioned that cannot have been born in a single “mega liter” of babies following the Exodus.

Do you think this video might help explain it?

 

[atpollard]

So you’re saying that there were extra generations between Kohath, Amram, and Moses that the Bible doesn’t record?
Where’s the evidence for that?

Asked and answered:

From Numbers 26, I suspect a telescoping of generations. There are too many people for that to be a direct “family tree” leaving no generations out. The generations in the genealogies of Jesus (Gospels) employ a telescoping of generations.

Read Numbers 26 and for the sake of this exercise assume that NOBODY EVER DIES. Count every male decadent from LEVI to the generation of Moses and the Exodus. Compare that to the total number of males in the tribe of Levi given in the census of Numbers 26.

Which is more probable:

• The genealogy is condensed like in the Gospels?
• Moses generation each had hundreds of babies?
• Jews can't count and there were really only a handful of Levites to care for the Tabernacle?

 

[atpollard]

What about the Greek and Samaritan texts that say they were in Egypt AND Canaan fir 430 years? That would put the Israelites in Egypt for only 215 years. And since 215 is less than 350, then you don’t have to add extra names and generations in there that the Bible doesn’t record.

What about them?
What about the Gnostic writings ... Do they say anything relevant to the question?
What about the Book of Mormon?

This is the "Bible Study" forum, so I will restrict MY efforts to the 66 books in MY Bible.
(You are free to explore anything that your heart desires, but I will likely not comment on extra-biblical texts.)

 

[NathanH83]

What about them?
What about the Gnostic writings ... Do they say anything relevant to the question?
What about the Book of Mormon?

This is the "Bible Study" forum, so I will restrict MY efforts to the 66 books in MY Bible.
(You are free to explore anything that your heart desires, but I will likely not comment on extra-biblical texts.)

Galatians 3:17, Paul says that the 430 years starts with Abraham arriving in Canaan. That agrees with the Septuagint which says “Egypt and Canaan”

Why would Paul agree with the Septuagint over the Hebrew?

 

[NathanH83]

“Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as of many, but as of one, “And to your Seed,” who is Christ. And this I say, that the law, which was four hundred and thirty years later, cannot annul the covenant that was confirmed before by God in Christ, that it should make the promise of no effect.”
-Galatians 3:16-17

Bible Gateway passage: Galatians 3:16-17 - New King James Version

Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as of many, but as of one, “And to your Seed,” who is Christ. And this I say, that the law, which was four hundred and thirty years later, cannot annul the covenant that was confirmed before by God in Christ...

www.biblegateway.com

 

[pinacled]

“Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as of many, but as of one, “And to your Seed,” who is Christ. And this I say, that the law, which was four hundred and thirty years later, cannot annul the covenant that was confirmed before by God in Christ, that it should make the promise of no effect.”
-Galatians 3:16-17

Bible Gateway passage: Galatians 3:16-17 - New King James Version

Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as of many, but as of one, “And to your Seed,” who is Christ. And this I say, that the law, which was four hundred and thirty years later, cannot annul the covenant that was confirmed before by God in Christ...

www.biblegateway.com

Do you have math to clarify this theory?

 

[NathanH83]

Do you have math to clarify this theory?

Well, you have to look in Genesis at when Abraham received a promise concerning his seed. He was 75 and had just entered Canaan.
Then 25 years later Isaac is born, 60 years after that Jacob is born, then 130 years later Jacob goes down into Egypt. That’s 215 years from when Abraham receives the promise to when Jacob goes to Egypt. 215 is exactly half of 430. So Paul’s comments here in Galatians puts the Israelites in Egypt for 215 years, and then also in Canaan for 215 years. The Septuagint says “430 years in Egypt and Canaan.”
Josephus says the same.

 

[pinacled]

Well, you have to look in Genesis at when Abraham received a promise concerning his seed. He was 75 and had just entered Canaan.
Then 25 years later Isaac is born, 60 years after that Jacob is born, then 130 years later Jacob goes down into Egypt. That’s 215 years from when Abraham receives the promise to when Jacob goes to Egypt. 215 is exactly half of 430. So Paul’s comments here in Galatians puts the Israelites in Egypt for 215 years, and then also in Canaan for 215 years. The Septuagint says “430 years in Egypt and Canaan.”
Josephus says the same.

The theory sounds like dual house theolgy.

 

[NathanH83]

The theory sounds like dual house theolgy.

I don’t know what you mean by dual house theology. But I do know that Paul says the 430 years starts with Abraham receiving the promise. This agrees with what the Septuagint says.

 

[pinacled]

I don’t know what you mean by dual house theology. But I do know that Paul says the 430 years starts with Abraham receiving the promise. This agrees with what the Septuagint says.

Please show the math that is from abraham to moses

 

[NathanH83]

Please show the math that is from abraham to moses

All I can show is the math from Abraham to Jacob’s arrival in Egypt.

But Paul says that there’s 430 years from Abraham’s promise to The receiving of the law (on Sinai, the same year as the Exodus)

So using Paul’s statement, you can subtract the 215 years from the 430 years.

 

[pinacled]

I’m not sure I understand what you are trying to say

Im saying that you have denied salvation.
Am i wrong

 

[pinacled]

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