Pardes Concepts for Gentiles

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The sheep are placed on one side and the goats on the other, at the resurrection and in front of the judgement throne.
Is this the what you are thinking of?

I was speaking of Charity!
Think of what david spoke of concerning Torah(instruction) from The Lord to guide his feet through a valley and hands to discern the heart.
Torah is Holy
29 Bible verses about Charity

"But when you give to the poor, do not let your left hand know what your right hand"......



Blessed be The Holy One

 

[eddif]

I was speaking of Charity!
Think of what david spoke of concerning Torah(instruction) from The Lord to guide his feet through a valley and hands to discern the heart.
Torah is Holy
29 Bible verses about Charity

"But when you give to the poor, do not let your left hand know what your right hand"......



Blessed be The Holy One

You are still on the weightier things of the law. Flesh and blood (carnal mind) has not revealed this to you, but the Father who is in Heaven sending good to us through Jesus ( the word) and the Holy Spirit ( the quickining spirit).

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[eddif]

Just about looks like the levels ideas are being taught / explained in the gentile thread.

I will try and work through what needs to be explained in this thread.
Once a person gets the idea, there is no use to go over and over this concept.
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[eddif]

I finally decided to use the parable of the sower to explain gentile Pardes.

The multitudes of people only heard a story of seeds being planted and what caused a crop.

The disciples the did not understand the story / parable. If they had understood hidden truth out of the parable, this is about what rhey might have said.
(Jesus we appreciate you using common seeds to explain hidden scriptural truth to us since we are a simple people).
But the disciples did not say that.
They asked what the parable meant.

Jesus set about revealing things rhe crowd did not hear.
The sower is the son of God.
The seed is the word of god
The ground is men’s hearts.

Not seed facts but higher order scriptural facts.

When God designed seeds he designed seeds with a genetic code to direct the plant Cycle of life.
When God made man he developed messages that eventually describe human life all the way into eternity with God.
The Bible is the book containing instructions for human development. Part of the Bible has hidden things (creation things) we have trouble seeing / understanding, but there is a point where abstract love, joy, peace, praise is shown as explanations for physical law type scriptures. The Holy Spirit leads us into understanding.

One level is physical
The other level is spiritual.

Brotherly love does continue, but suddenly higher level thoughts are revealed.

I will go back and start a scriptural trail.

Pray that I do it correctly.

Mississippi redneck
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[eddif]

I was speaking of Charity!
Think of what david spoke of concerning Torah(instruction) from The Lord to guide his feet through a valley and hands to discern the heart.
Torah is Holy
29 Bible verses about Charity

"But when you give to the poor, do not let your left hand know what your right hand"......



Blessed be The Holy One

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Bless the name of Jesus
Praise the name of Jesus
Sing unto the King of Israel
Bless the name of Jesus
Praise the name of Jesus
Sing unto the King of Israel
And I'll sing glory, glory
Glory to his name forever
Glory, Glory, Glory to his name

Verse 1
Oh the joy of the Lord is in me
Oh what happiness He brings
While I'm walking where He leads me
That is why you'll often hear me say

Verse 2
Oh let's worship Him in the Spirit
Oh no matter who you are
He has done such mighty wonders
That is why this music's in my heart

Is this too modern?
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[eddif]

To a gentile ( And I do not buy into all my heritage) the Pentateuch is scripture and a good study Bible is the way to understand especially the Old Testament. Of five different organizations putting out their study bibles, they do not all agree.
I do not use a study Bible.
Each gentile denomination usually has a favorite study Bible or book of church order. If it comes to a disagreement, usually the book of church order wins (in my experience).
Gentiles set themselves to know about counting number meanings, word study, language knowledge, etc.

Now the next statement is mine. If I am wrong just yell at me. I can be wrong.

In my experience. ( which may be wrong).

To a Jew the Pentateuch is scripture and the way to expand / understand it is Torah. The sacred oral traditions are contained in Torah.

Personally I think Jews have the advantage in Bible study. Paul was a Jew. Paul understood Jews and Gentiles. What I study was by and large written by him. He could speak to both groups with great authority,

I do not know everything. Mississippi has a reputation of having ignorant people. We have a lot of people proud to be ignorant. If we confess our sins we may get better by grace.

eddif

 

[Lamb]

To a gentile ( And I do not buy into all my heritage) the Pentateuch is scripture and a good study Bible is the way to understand especially the Old Testament. Of five different organizations putting out their study bibles, they do not all agree.
I do not use a study Bible.
Each gentile denomination usually has a favorite study Bible or book of church order. If it comes to a disagreement, usually the book of church order wins (in my experience).
Gentiles set themselves to know about counting number meanings, word study, language knowledge, etc.

Now the next statement is mine. If I am wrong just yell at me. I can be wrong.

In my experience. ( which may be wrong).

To a Jew the Pentateuch is scripture and the way to expand / understand it is Torah. The sacred oral traditions are contained in Torah.

Personally I think Jews have the advantage in Bible study. Paul was a Jew. Paul understood Jews and Gentiles. What I study was by and large written by him. He could speak to both groups with great authority,

I do not know everything. Mississippi has a reputation of having ignorant people. We have a lot of people proud to be ignorant. If we confess our sins we may get better by grace.

eddif

You said you want to know if you're wrong so here, goes. You're wrong.

At least in the Lutheran denomination, pastors are required to know Hebrew and study Greek. They aren't studying a gentile way of the Bible but the Bible as being God's Word.

I took a 2 year extensive bible study at my previous church and the very first thing the pastor ingrained into us was "Think Hebrew".

 

[eddif]

You said you want to know if you're wrong so here, goes. You're wrong.

At least in the Lutheran denomination, pastors are required to know Hebrew and study Greek. They aren't studying a gentile way of the Bible but the Bible as being God's Word.

I took a 2 year extensive bible study at my previous church and the very first thing the pastor ingrained into us was "Think Hebrew".

I started a reformed Greek course once. I was strung out trying to study. A doctrinal issue came up. I asked if I went to a different denomination Greek class would it be the same. I was dodged on my question. I came back asking if the language study would be the same. Finally got a no it would not be the same. Evidently a seminary Greek course IS going to pretty much agree with that particular denomination. I stopped the Greek course.
Maybe I think like I do partially because of that instance.
The Bible says the things of God are seen in what he made. Is the study of nature free of problems? No. Have I come up with a fool proof doctrine. No I have not. Fear and trembling Praying in the spirit etc, each individual person should act in faith. Is it open to individual truth. No.

I do listen to others. We are working out our salvation.

eddif

 

[Lamb]

I started a reformed Greek course once. I was strung out trying to study. A doctrinal issue came up. I asked if I went to a different denomination Greek class would it be the same. I was dodged on my question. I came back asking if the language study would be the same. Finally got a no it would not be the same. Evidently a seminary Greek course IS going to pretty much agree with that particular denomination. I stopped the Greek course.
Maybe I think like I do partially because of that instance.
The Bible says the things of God are seen in what he made. Is the study of nature free of problems? No. Have I come up with a fool proof doctrine. No I have not. Fear and trembling Praying in the spirit etc, each individual person should act in faith. Is it open to individual truth. No.

I do listen to others. We are working out our salvation.

eddif

Here's the thing though...you had said Jews have the advantage in a Bible Study, but if that were true then all of them would be Christian.

 

[pinacled]

Here's the thing though...you had said Jews have the advantage in a Bible Study, but if that were true then all of them would be Christian.

I believe the advantage meant historical upbringing by an Oracle

 

[Lamb]

I believe the advantage meant historical upbringing by an Oracle

The modern Jews of today are skewed in their beliefs by modern thinking...and not ancient Hebrew/Jewish all together. So for the OP to insist that a Jew would have a great advantage at a bible study is wrong. They might have some good advantage of knowing things, but a Christian has the Holy Spirit.

 

[pinacled]

The modern Jews of today are skewed in their beliefs by modern thinking...and not ancient Hebrew/Jewish all together. So for the OP to insist that a Jew would have a great advantage at a bible study is wrong. They might have some good advantage of knowing things, but a Christian has the Holy Spirit.

Modern jews are quite diverse in their beliefs and culture.
Romans 2:29

And just as the Holy Spirit convicts the world of sin so to does the letter of the law kill.

 

[Lamb]

Modern jews are quite diverse in their beliefs and culture.
Romans 2:29

And just as the Holy Spirit convicts the world of sin so to does the letter of the law kill.

The Holy Spirit uses the Law to convict of sin, but only those with faith can understand that Jesus is Savior. So Christians have the upperhand in learning about the Bible, not the ones who reject the Savior.

 

[pinacled]

The Holy Spirit uses the Law to convict of sin, but only those with faith can understand that Jesus is Savior. So Christians have the upperhand in learning about the Bible, not the ones who reject the Savior.

Rejection is a temporal aspect of a person's lifetime.
Remember that even a disciple once denyed(rejected) the savior.
Galatians 2:9

 

[eddif]

Here's the thing though...you had said Jews have the advantage in a Bible Study, but if that were true then all of them would be Christian.

Romans 3, 9,11 do not say that. Jews sin too. Romans 3 says they have an advantage.
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[Lamb]

Rejection is a temporal aspect of a person's lifetime.
Remember that even a disciple once denyed(rejected) the savior.
Galatians 2:9

Not all who reject will end up receiving Jesus. So let's keep that in mind.

Romans 3, 9,11 do not say that. Jews sin too. Romans 3 says they have an advantage.
eddif

Well, Romans 3 isn't speaking to the Jews of today but to the Jews of Jesus' day...you know, the ones who turned to Him?

 

[pinacled]

Not all who reject will end up receiving Jesus. So let's keep that in mind.



Well, Romans 3 isn't speaking to the Jews of today but to the Jews of Jesus' day...you know, the ones who turned to Him?

Matthew 10:33

 

[pinacled]

Not all who reject will end up receiving Jesus. So let's keep that in mind.



Well, Romans 3 isn't speaking to the Jews of today but to the Jews of Jesus' day...you know, the ones who turned to Him?

After his resurrection there was a gate provided for every jew and gentile that is beyond the scope of time.

 

[Lamb]

Personally I think Jews have the advantage in Bible study. Paul was a Jew. Paul understood Jews and Gentiles. What I study was by and large written by him. He could speak to both groups with great authority,

The Jews of today practice Judaism and as a whole that religion rejects that Jesus is the Christ. The Jews in Jesus' time had an advantage because they weren't influenced by modern Judaism that rejects Him. Not all Jews of Jesus' time received Him as Savior.

The main purpose of a bible study should be to show Jesus as Savior or to connect the biblical text to Jesus as Savior. Judaism will lead you away from Jesus as Savior since they reject Him and that is the danger of what you claim when you say that Jews today have an advantage. Why would you come here and purposely try to mislead Christians and lead them away from Jesus by promoting Judaism? We don't allow that.

 

[eddif]

The Jews of today practice Judaism and as a whole that religion rejects that Jesus is the Christ. The Jews in Jesus' time had an advantage because they weren't influenced by modern Judaism that rejects Him. Not all Jews of Jesus' time received Him as Savior.

The main purpose of a bible study should be to show Jesus as Savior or to connect the biblical text to Jesus as Savior. Judaism will lead you away from Jesus as Savior since they reject Him and that is the danger of what you claim when you say that Jews today have an advantage. Why would you come here and purposely try to mislead Christians and lead them away from Jesus by promoting Judaism? We don't allow that.

Jews of today have an advantage if they are true Christians. That is my statement intention
all through my threads.

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