Pardes Concepts for Gentiles

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Perhaps not formally, but if you read Hebrews and look up the OT quotes in their original context, the author of Hebrews has dramatically reapplied the verses to a new and different context.

And you have found the reason I even mention Pardes. The disciples had issues in understanding Jesus. The apostles had the real meaning of the law placed in their hearts and minds at Pentacost. This placement of His quickening spirit (in them) allowed them to open the true meaning of the law. Not just the physical works of the law but see how Jesus fulfilled the higher levels of the law
In Matthew chapters 5,6&7 Jesus teaches the hidden invisible aspects of God. He was alone with the disciples and did not speak in parables.
When he comes down off the mountain before the multitudes Jesus reverts to the lower physical level of hidden truth.
More on parable speaking later.

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I hope I got to everyone who made a comment or asked a question.
The Holy Spirit leads us into all truth.
eddif may remove a little seed coat from the corn, but all those who take the inner part of the corn must process it according to your individual calling.
One may make coarse ground corn meal
One may make fine corn flour
One may make corn hominy
Follow the Holy Spirit. Jesus baptizes in the Holy Spirit and fire.

Baptism even has levels:
John’s baptism - Repentance
Jesus baptism - eternal life
Holy Spirit baptism - power to be a witness

one overall baptism into God
The Father
The Son
The Holy Spirit

now I will only be able to handle just so many threads so try and look at levels in this thread.

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Romans 11:1 kjv
1. I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

This is the Jewish branch. I know it has levels, but try hard to just see Gods people

The natural branch will always be Israel.

How slow must we go? I know fast.
But
Mississippi rednecks have a slow southern drawl.

Every one read Romans chapter 11
When the Holy Spirit starts your understanding working (realize it is a spiritual thing and not an eddif /Pardes thing). Go at your own pace. If this gives you problems, there are a whole bunch of other posts others have started. If this not your calling do not feel bad about not doing Pardes for Gentiles. Someone may do Pardes for Jewish persons if they wish. Administrators are welcome to make comments. Administration is a gift to the church, like pastors teachers etc

enough for now. Maybe I can get a nap before sunrise.

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Romans 9 helps identify the branch of promise also.

 

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I follow Jesus Christ and him crucified, raised from the dead, Ascended into Heaven where he ever makes intercession for us.

The frying pan / fire means I have opened a discussion that can be hard for me to explain. John the Baptist said Jesus would baptise us in the Holy Spirit and fire. By making that gentile statement I created my own problem. I will have not to do that again. Please forgive me.

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A strength in forgiveness while walking in prayer is apart of The washing in Fire.

Do you believe The Lord yeshua(jesus) was concieved in a virgin?

Blessed be The Holy One

 

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A strength in forgiveness while walking in prayer is apart of The washing in Fire.

Do you believe The Lord yeshua(jesus) was concieved in a virgin?

Blessed be The Holy One

The surface/plain meaning is that there is an olive mount split according to prophecy.
Even so wild or natural an olive is still an olive.

Do you recall what's said about the right and left hand?

 

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S

Sod is the highest level listed. Fruits is a lower level.
Jesus is the first fruit raised from the dead.
Our redemption.

The "good soil" is the level beyond the sod.

Blessings Always

 

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The "good soil" is the level beyond the sod.

Blessings Always

Ok here we go.
We are right and wrong at the same time.
Paul described our life situation to a (T).
With our new mind we serve the law of God
With the flesh the law of sin

Instead of memorizing the Jewish Pardes levels (good basic look at levels), let us base our levels search othe “parable of the sower”.

I may warp what you said or I may know how to use what you said.
Our English word sod is the growth on top of good ground.
Our fleshly actions of life may have to be plowed under to reveal who we are.
We are buried with Christ Jesus in his death. True spiritual growth will only develop in our death to self. SO. A level is:
The Heart Level
(Knowing Our Gentile Self)
A. Where we came from
B. Where we are in Christ Jesus
The (pinacled) level of Good Ground (Buried with Christ)

So we will use the parable of the sower to derive the gentile Pardes.

Any administrators want to make comments / suggestions ( In The Spirit).

Mississippi redneck
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It will be much better to use the parable of the sower as the basis of Pardes for Gentiles.

The parable of the sower has levels of understanding that fit extremely well, and are not modified by Jewish traditions. But. Gentiles have put interpretations on the understanding of parables, that we will have to subjugate / knock down.
Parables are not understood by carnal knowledge, but understood by revelation by / from God.

if understanding of parables was carnal:
The disciples might have said
(Jesus we appreciate you using plant terminology in describing life. Since we are a simple people we understand what you are referring to on a higher plane.

But No, Not Even Close

The disciples asked for what the parable meant.
Then Jesus revealed the hidden meaning.

Our levels ( open to discussion)
Good Ground (changed heart with law installed)
The ground is good because the crucified Christ was placed in the earth / ground. When we die to self we are buried with Christ.

Physical seeds must die before they live.

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II kings 13:21
And it came to pass, as they were burying a man, that, behold, they spied a band of men; and they cast the man into the sepulchre of Elisha: and when the man was let down, and touched the bones of Elisha, he revived, and stood up on his feet.

This is a level of understanding in life coming from a dead prophet.
When Jesus died some saints came alive

Matthew 27:52 kjv
And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,


A living changeable understanding about good ground. When our heart is good ground, the seed / the word comes alive.

Not just dirt and fertilizer but the concept that the dung in our life can bring forth life is there too.
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So our heart is enriched when we confess our flesh sins. Our mind rejoices. The law is placed in our hearts and minds. We may do some things but it is actually Christ working in us. His being seated on the right hand of the father, and making intercession for us, gives Him the praise.

Heaven and earth at the same time. Not even to mention angels, preachers, prophetic utterances.

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II Timothy 1:5 kjv
When I call to remembrance the unfeigned faith that is in thee, which dwelt first in thy grandmother Lois, and thy mother Eunice; and I am persuaded that in thee also.

I wonder if this is a hint at levels.

the genetic level is listed,
And
The faith offspring is listed.

I doubt there is a gene for faith, but the scriptures are a book of spiritual development very similar to the genetic book in each of us.
I believe the faith casts the shadow of human genetics.
My parents did not believe in modern day spiritual gifts.
My paternal Grandmother did. And. I think she took mgg me on as a prayer project and prayed for me to experience a modern Pentecost.
I experienced speaking in tongues reading the Bible one day. I had never heard it preached or explained. My wife said I think the Pentecostal groups do that. They scared me something awfull, (just talking to some outside of church services). So do soiritual gifts skip a generation like Genetics? No worry I will try to be involved with scriptures I do not personally experience, and seek after spiritual gifts.
Levels at work.
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It will be much better to use the parable of the sower as the basis of Pardes for Gentiles.

The parable of the sower has levels of understanding that fit extremely well, and are not modified by Jewish traditions. But. Gentiles have put interpretations on the understanding of parables, that we will have to subjugate / knock down.
Parables are not understood by carnal knowledge, but understood by revelation by / from God.

if understanding of parables was carnal:
The disciples might have said
(Jesus we appreciate you using plant terminology in describing life. Since we are a simple people we understand what you are referring to on a higher plane.

But No, Not Even Close

The disciples asked for what the parable meant.
Then Jesus revealed the hidden meaning.

Our levels ( open to discussion)
Good Ground (changed heart with law installed)
The ground is good because the crucified Christ was placed in the earth / ground. When we die to self we are buried with Christ.

Physical seeds must die before they live.

eddif

Seeds don't die or perish away to dust forever removed from existence when in the good soil that is watered by The blessings from On high.

They're changed in a twinkling.
1 corinthians 3
1 Corinthian 15:52

Blessings Always

 

[pinacled]

Seeds don't die or perish away to dust forever removed from existence when in the good soil that is watered by The blessings from On high.

They're changed in a twinkling.
1 corinthians 3
1 Corinthian 15:52

Blessings Always

My point is that the parables are Sod level of PaRDeS till the mystery is revealed.

As for good soil the 4 part exegesis is favorable in showing how good soil comes about with works of Faith and honoring the covenant promise.

Born of a virgin is both a rez and sod concerning The Holy One.

Do you recall the Torah and Prophets speaking of where there is blood there is a seal?

Hebrews 9:22

 

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So our heart is enriched when we confess our flesh sins. Our mind rejoices. The law is placed in our hearts and minds. We may do some things but it is actually Christ working in us. His being seated on the right hand of the father, and making intercession for us, gives Him the praise.

Heaven and earth at the same time. Not even to mention angels, preachers, prophetic utterances.

eddif

Do you believe virgin blood was involved during the birth of yeshua(jesus)?

 

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Do you believe virgin blood was involved during the birth of yeshua(jesus)?

1 kings
The 4th generation was in need of warmth so that a seed would ne reborn.

 

[eddif]

Seeds don't die or perish away to dust forever removed from existence when in the good soil that is watered by The blessings from On high.

They're changed in a twinkling.
1 corinthians 3 u
1 Corinthian 15:52

Blessings Always

 

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John 12:24 kjv
Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

A seed while a seed is just a seed. When a seed dies to itself it germinates, becomes a plant, matures, and bears many fruits that contain seeds. If. The plant bears fruit and and. Others see The Word as seed and take the seed into the soil of their heart where it can possibly mature and repeat the cycle.
Before long the exponential growth has made many converts bearing reference to Jesus.

I think that can be re-written to make more sense, but I am not yet seeing all levels.

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The surface/plain meaning is that there is an olive mount split according to prophecy.
Even so wild or natural an olive is still an olive.

Do you recall what's said about the right and left hand?

Two possible olive trees with branches.
1. A wild tree living apart from God
2. A nurtured trea attached to God through the efforts of God.
Now
Take a wild branch and graft it onto the God nurtured tree, and suddenly you have two branches drawing nourishment from the same root and vine.

Do not depend on eddif to supply understanding. Ask God to open the eyes of your understanding. I may knock off the seed coat some, but the kernel life must mature in you.

Hang in there. You are working at it.

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The surface/plain meaning is that there is an olive mount split according to prophecy.
Even so wild or natural an olive is still an olive.

Do you recall what's said about the right and left hand?

The sheep are placed on one side and the goats on the other, at the resurrection and in front of the judgement throne.
Is this the what you are thinking of?