What do you think about this Bible that says Daniel 8 and 11 prophesy about Maccabees?

[pinacled]

Uhuh? So what? Mattathias and his sons were Levites. You’re not making any sense.

They are either or.
From the tribe of Levi or Yhdh.

Otherwise the history has been convoluted by sorcerors.

Study and you will find more about their(hasmonean) heritage of hatred.

Oh and thankyou for the compliment.
I don't consider myself a genius of history.

Blessings Always

 

[Andrew]

I am providing relevant and important information from 1st Maccabees for others read and consider. They are self explanatory. The author said what he meant.

“So they tore down the altar, and stored the stones in a convenient place on the temple hill until there should come a prophet to tell what to do with them.” (1 Maccabees 4:46).

“Thus there was great distress in Israel, such as had not been since the time that prophets ceased to appear among them.” (1 Maccabees 9:27).

“And the Jews and their priests decided that Simon should be their leader and high priest for ever, until a trustworthy prophet should arise." (1 Maccabees 14:41).


Those verses are able explain.

"Objective Journalism" - cherry picking statements while refusing any contextual explanation for their awareness, a technique used in politics to ignore any objective questioning through cutting off communication in silence.

Why are you so afraid to just say what you feel? We can't bite you!

 

[Origen]

Why are you so afraid to just say what you feel?

As I said before, those verses are able explain. Their meaning is self evident.

“So they tore down the altar, and stored the stones in a convenient place on the temple hill until there should come a prophet to tell what to do with them.” (1 Maccabees 4:46).

“Thus there was great distress in Israel, such as had not been since the time that prophets ceased to appear among them.” (1 Maccabees 9:27).

“And the Jews and their priests decided that Simon should be their leader and high priest for ever, until a trustworthy prophet should arise." (1 Maccabees 14:41).

 

[pinacled]

Uhuh? So what? Mattathias and his sons were Levites. You’re not making any sense.

The Levites Were Not to be Numbered (2/23) - Plain Bible Teaching

Thought from today’s Bible reading from Numbers 1-2. The book of Numbers begins with a census being taken of certain ones from among the people: “From twenty years old and upward, whoever is able to go out to war in Israel, you and Aaron shall number them by their armies” (Numbers 1:3). But...

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[pinacled]

I’m waiting for you to provide the scripture verse that proves what you just said.

Excerpt;
[ " The book of Numbers begins with a census being taken of certain ones from among the people: “From twenty years old and upward, whoever is able to go out to war in Israel, you and Aaron shall number them by their armies” (Numbers 1:3). But those of one particular tribe were exempted."]

Just because a tribal leader of Yhdh claims the position of preist doesn't automatically mean that they are of the tribe of levi.
In fact they(hasmoneans) set up dynasty of kings that yochanon refuted till his death.

So which is it ?
Are the They levites of Jews?

 

[pinacled]

As I said before, those verses are able explain. Their meaning is self evident.

“So they tore down the altar, and stored the stones in a convenient place on the temple hill until there should come a prophet to tell what to do with them.” (1 Maccabees 4:46).

“Thus there was great distress in Israel, such as had not been since the time that prophets ceased to appear among them.” (1 Maccabees 9:27).

“And the Jews and their priests decided that Simon should be their leader and high priest for ever, until a trustworthy prophet should arise." (1 Maccabees 14:41).

And we know what many of them attempted to do with the hidden stones of the altar.
How many times did they attempt to kill The Lord and his followers.

 

[Andrew]

As I said before, those verses are able explain. Their meaning is self evident.

“So they tore down the altar, and stored the stones in a convenient place on the temple hill until there should come a prophet to tell what to do with them.” (1 Maccabees 4:46).

“Thus there was great distress in Israel, such as had not been since the time that prophets ceased to appear among them.” (1 Maccabees 9:27).

“And the Jews and their priests decided that Simon should be their leader and high priest for ever, until a trustworthy prophet should arise." (1 Maccabees 14:41).

The Jews CONSTANTLY said and did things in this very nature! Always awaiting a sign, given a sign, rebelling anyway, always awaiting a prophet, given one, not following through on their end, over and over and over again the Jews (save a few) CONSTANTLY let God down.. Read the words of the prophets, God is always frustrated with the great majority of his people because they refuse to listen.

Read exodus I mean come on! They complained after great miracles because they felt they would have been better off staying in bondage, then they worship a golden calf, later God calls the house of Israel like unto a whore whom he will strip down in front of all the nations she has whored with unless she repents!

Why a New Jerusalem you suppose? Because the one the Jews live in now is of old, given time to repent and has not, thus according to Malachi is cursed if they refuse the the prophets to come.
Distressed and constantly awaiting on instructions is just something the Jews did habitually (save a few)

 

[NathanH83]

The Levites Were Not to be Numbered (2/23) - Plain Bible Teaching

Thought from today’s Bible reading from Numbers 1-2. The book of Numbers begins with a census being taken of certain ones from among the people: “From twenty years old and upward, whoever is able to go out to war in Israel, you and Aaron shall number them by their armies” (Numbers 1:3). But...

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If the Levites were prohibited from killing with the sword, then why was Phineas commended for…killing with the sword? Phineas was Aaron’s grandson.

 

[pinacled]

If the Levites were prohibited from killing with the sword, then why was Phineas commended for…killing with the sword? Phineas was Aaron’s grandson.

Difference is That was an account of defense for his own people where as going to war against the nations was prohibited.
If I recall correctly.

Glad you brought up the detail about a Sword piece of armor.

 

[pinacled]

Difference is That was an account of defense for his own people where as going to war against the nations was prohibited.
If I recall correctly.

Glad you brought up the detail about a Sword peice of armor.

No such thing as coincidence

A simeon becoming high priest contrary to heritage from Torah to maccabees

יד וְשֵׁם אִישׁ יִשְׂרָאֵל הַמֻּכֶּה, אֲשֶׁר הֻכָּה אֶת-הַמִּדְיָנִית--זִמְרִי, בֶּן-סָלוּא: נְשִׂיא בֵית-אָב, לַשִּׁמְעֹנִי.
14 Now the name of the man of Israel that was slain, who was slain with the Midianitish woman, was Zimri, the son of Salu, a prince of a fathers' house among the Simeonites.

 

[NathanH83]

Difference is That was an account of defense for his own people where as going to war against the nations was prohibited.
If I recall correctly.

Glad you brought up the detail about a Sword peice of armor.

Oh, they weren’t allowed to go to war with other nations, like…. The Midianites for example? Of the people Phineas killed, one of them was a Midianite woman.

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[pinacled]

Oh, they weren’t allowed to go to war with other nations, like…. The Midianites for example? Of the people Phineas killed, one of them was a Midianite woman.

Nice try, genius.

The levites are strictly forbidden from engaging in battle.
Hence the parallel where david is told he cannot build a temple due to his warefaring.

 

[pinacled]

Oh, they weren’t allowed to go to war with other nations, like…. The Midianites for example? Of the people Phineas killed, one of them was a Midianite woman.

Nice try, genius.

Exactly.
Judgement begins at the house by Levitical priesthood.
Then the prophets execute judgement in the outer court(s).

לג וַיֹּאמֶר שְׁמוּאֵל--כַּאֲשֶׁר שִׁכְּלָה נָשִׁים חַרְבֶּךָ, כֵּן-תִּשְׁכַּל מִנָּשִׁים אִמֶּךָ; וַיְשַׁסֵּף שְׁמוּאֵל אֶת-אֲגָג לִפְנֵי יְהוָה, בַּגִּלְגָּל. {ס}

33 And Samuel said: As thy sword hath made women childless, so shall thy mother be childless among women. And Samuel hewed Agag in pieces before the LORD in Gilgal

 

[pinacled]

Oh, they weren’t allowed to go to war with other nations, like…. The Midianites for example? Of the people Phineas killed, one of them was a Midianite woman.

Nice try, genius.

He executed his own kind while they lay with the enemy within the encampment around the mishkan.
Ensuring no offspring would defile the tribe(s).
A coarse action yes(MA only)
But not done on the battle field.
Matter of fact it's a warning to others before going into war to not bring back spoils that will defile pure worship of The Most High.

Blessings Always

 

[pinacled]

Take your time studying nathan

 

[pinacled]

If the Levites were prohibited from killing with the sword, then why was Phineas commended for…killing with the sword? Phineas was Aaron’s grandson.

Are you certain that preist carried swords?
I thought they carried spears like poles in order to keep the Ark off the ground..!

 

[NathanH83]

If they were levites they Trangessed The Torah by shedding blood with weapons of war by their very own hands.
If they were of the tribe of judah another discussion is in order.

The linage of levites were unbroken same as judah.

Which the hasmoneans were assuming power without divine authority nor reason of authenticity.

Exodus says:

Now when Moses saw that the people were unrestrained (for Aaron had not restrained them, to their shame among their enemies), then Moses stood in the entrance of the camp, and said, “Whoever is on the Lord’s side— come to me!” And all the sons of Levi gathered themselves together to him. And he said to them, “Thus says the Lord God of Israel: ‘Let every man put his sword on his side, and go in and out from entrance to entrance throughout the camp, and let every man kill his brother, every man his companion, and every man his neighbor.’ ” So the sons of Levi did according to the word of Moses. And about three thousand men of the people fell that day. Then Moses said, “Consecrate yourselves today to the Lord, that He may bestow on you a blessing this day, for every man has opposed his son and his brother.”
Exodus 32:25-29 - Bible Gateway passage: Exodus 32:25-29 - New King James Version


You were saying???

 

[pinacled]

Exodus says:

Now when Moses saw that the people were unrestrained (for Aaron had not restrained them, to their shame among their enemies), then Moses stood in the entrance of the camp, and said, “Whoever is on the Lord’s side— come to me!” And all the sons of Levi gathered themselves together to him. And he said to them, “Thus says the Lord God of Israel: ‘Let every man put his sword on his side, and go in and out from entrance to entrance throughout the camp, and let every man kill his brother, every man his companion, and every man his neighbor.’ ” So the sons of Levi did according to the word of Moses. And about three thousand men of the people fell that day. Then Moses said, “Consecrate yourselves today to the Lord, that He may bestow on you a blessing this day, for every man has opposed his son and his brother.”
Exodus 32:25-29 - Bible Gateway passage: Exodus 32:25-29 - New King James Version


You were saying???

I asked you study.
Were the maccabees levites or Jews?

 

[pinacled]

I know the dream all they feared.
And asked moshe to show them the first stone/step of ladder.
7×12=ramp

 

[pinacled]

Uhuh? So what? Mattathias and his sons were Levites. You’re not making any sense.

Are you absolutely claiming that the maccabees are from the tribe of levi?