What do you think about this Bible that says Daniel 8 and 11 prophesy about Maccabees?

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Care to note any?

Since then, no prophet has risen in Israel like Moses, whom the LORD knew face to face

For example the 148th yr 25th day of the 9th month is mentioned later in ch4.
How did the author come by this yr number?

 

[NathanH83]

I am just providing relevant information from 1st Maccabees.

“So they tore down the altar, and stored the stones in a convenient place on the temple hill until there should come a prophet to tell what to do with them.” (1 Maccabees 4:46).

“Thus there was great distress in Israel, such as had not been since the time that prophets ceased to appear among them.” (1 Maccabees 9:27).

“And the Jews and their priests decided that Simon should be their leader and high priest for ever, until a trustworthy prophet should arise." (1 Maccabees 14:41).

How is this information relevant to you?

Are you saying that, “It must be prophecy coming from a prophet in order for it to be scripture”?

Is that what you’re saying?

If so, then I’d like to ask you if Ezra was a prophet. And if you think he was, then I’d like to ask what Ezra said in the book of Ezra that was prophecy?

THERE IS NO PROPHECY IN THE BOOK OF EZRA, GIVEN BY EZRA!

So, then… how is Ezra scripture?

Because…

Ezra was in the lineage of Aaron, the high priest. Ezra served as their high priest. For that reason, and that reason alone, Ezra CAN be considered scripture.

The Maccabees were in the lineage of Aaron the high priest. Simon Maccabee served as their leader and high priest.

Maccabees said there were no prophets at that time. It doesn’t say there were no priests.

Nice try, genius.

 

[Origen]

How is this information relevant to you?

It is relevant to me because I wish to post it. I need no other reason than that.

“So they tore down the altar, and stored the stones in a convenient place on the temple hill until there should come a prophet to tell what to do with them.” (1 Maccabees 4:46).

“Thus there was great distress in Israel, such as had not been since the time that prophets ceased to appear among them.” (1 Maccabees 9:27).

“And the Jews and their priests decided that Simon should be their leader and high priest for ever, until a trustworthy prophet should arise." (1 Maccabees 14:41).

 

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How is this information relevant to you?

Are you saying that, “It must be prophecy coming from a prophet in order for it to be scripture”?

Is that what you’re saying?

If so, then I’d like to ask you if Ezra was a prophet. And if you think he was, then I’d like to ask what Ezra said in the book of Ezra that was prophecy?

THERE IS NO PROPHECY IN THE BOOK OF EZRA, GIVEN BY EZRA!

So, then… how is Ezra scripture?

Because…

Ezra was in the lineage of Aaron, the high priest. Ezra served as their high priest. For that reason, and that reason alone, Ezra CAN be considered scripture.

The Maccabees were in the lineage of Aaron the high priest. Simon Maccabee served as their leader and high priest.

Maccabees said there were no prophets at that time. It doesn’t say there were no priests.

Nice try, genius.

Incorrect,
The Tribe of Judah is not of the lineage of aaron.
Though yochanon the immerser was.

Exodus 20:24-26
You shall make an altar of earth for Me, and you shall sacrifice on it your burnt offerings and your peace offerings, your sheep and your oxen; in every place where I cause My name to be remembered, I will come to you and bless you. If you make an altar of stone for Me, you shall not build it of cut stones, for if you wield your tool on it, you will profane it. And you shall not go up by steps to My altar, so that your nakedness will not be exposed on it.’

Deuteronomy 27:1-8
Then Moses and the elders of Israel charged the people, saying, “Keep all the commandments which I command you today. So it shall be on the day when you cross the Jordan to the land which the Lord your God gives you, that you shall set up for yourself large stones and coat them with lime and write on them all the words of this law, when you cross over, so that you may enter the land which the Lord your God gives you, a land flowing with milk and honey, as the Lord, the God of your fathers, promised you.read more.

Joshua 8:30-32
Then Joshua built an altar to the Lord, the God of Israel, in Mount Ebal, just as Moses the servant of the Lord had commanded the sons of Israel, as it is written in the book of the law of Moses, an altar of uncut stones on which no man had wielded an iron tool; and they offered burnt offerings on it to the Lord, and sacrificed peace offerings. He wrote there on the stones a copy of the law of Moses, which he had written, in the presence of the sons of Israel.

1 Kings 18:30-38
Then Elijah said to all the people, “Come near to me.” So all the people came near to him. And he repaired the altar of the Lord which had been torn down. Elijah took twelve stones according to the number of the tribes of the sons of Jacob, to whom the word of the Lord had come, saying, “Israel shall be your name.” So with the stones he built an altar in the name of the Lord, and he made a trench around the altar, large enough to hold two measures of seed.

Source: 99 Bible verses about Stones

 

[Origen]

How is this information relevant to you?

It is relevant to me because I wish to post it. I need no other reason than that.

“So they tore down the altar, and stored the stones in a convenient place on the temple hill until there should come a prophet to tell what to do with them.” (1 Maccabees 4:46).

“Thus there was great distress in Israel, such as had not been since the time that prophets ceased to appear among them.” (1 Maccabees 9:27).

“And the Jews and their priests decided that Simon should be their leader and high priest for ever, until a trustworthy prophet should arise." (1 Maccabees 14:41).

Are you saying that, “It must be prophecy coming from a prophet in order for it to be scripture”?

Is that what you’re saying?

If so, then I’d like to ask you if Ezra was a prophet. And if you think he was, then I’d like to ask what Ezra said in the book of Ezra that was prophecy?

THERE IS NO PROPHECY IN THE BOOK OF EZRA, GIVEN BY EZRA!

So, then… how is Ezra scripture?

Because…

Ezra was in the lineage of Aaron, the high priest. Ezra served as their high priest. For that reason, and that reason alone, Ezra CAN be considered scripture.

The Maccabees were in the lineage of Aaron the high priest. Simon Maccabee served as their leader and high priest.

Maccabees said there were no prophets at that time. It doesn’t say there were no priests.

Nice try, genius.

Since I did not suggest any of that, there is nothing to answer.

 

[pinacled]

It is relevant to me because I wish to post it. I need no other reason than that.

“So they tore down the altar, and stored the stones in a convenient place on the temple hill until there should come a prophet to tell what to do with them.” (1 Maccabees 4:46).

“Thus there was great distress in Israel, such as had not been since the time that prophets ceased to appear among them.” (1 Maccabees 9:27).

“And the Jews and their priests decided that Simon should be their leader and high priest for ever, until a trustworthy prophet should arise." (1 Maccabees 14:41).

And as ch 4:46 asks about the stones.

What did Yeshua have to say about them?
Or yeshayahu for that matter.
[ "Go through, go through the gates; prepare the way for the people; build up, build up the highway; clear it of stones; lift up a signal over the peoples."]

Blessed be The Holy One of yisrayl.

 

[pinacled]

It is relevant to me because I wish to post it. I need no other reason than that.

“So they tore down the altar, and stored the stones in a convenient place on the temple hill until there should come a prophet to tell what to do with them.” (1 Maccabees 4:46).

“Thus there was great distress in Israel, such as had not been since the time that prophets ceased to appear among them.” (1 Maccabees 9:27).

“And the Jews and their priests decided that Simon should be their leader and high priest for ever, until a trustworthy prophet should arise." (1 Maccabees 14:41).


Since I did not suggest any of that, there is nothing to answer.

Before The promised mashiach The Torah was written on the altar of stone.
After The Lord of Lights appeared the Torah is written on hearts of flesh.

Amen

 

[NathanH83]

Incorrect,
The Tribe of Judah is not of the lineage of aaron.
Though yochanon the immerser was.

Exodus 20:24-26
You shall make an altar of earth for Me, and you shall sacrifice on it your burnt offerings and your peace offerings, your sheep and your oxen; in every place where I cause My name to be remembered, I will come to you and bless you. If you make an altar of stone for Me, you shall not build it of cut stones, for if you wield your tool on it, you will profane it. And you shall not go up by steps to My altar, so that your nakedness will not be exposed on it.’

Deuteronomy 27:1-8
Then Moses and the elders of Israel charged the people, saying, “Keep all the commandments which I command you today. So it shall be on the day when you cross the Jordan to the land which the Lord your God gives you, that you shall set up for yourself large stones and coat them with lime and write on them all the words of this law, when you cross over, so that you may enter the land which the Lord your God gives you, a land flowing with milk and honey, as the Lord, the God of your fathers, promised you.read more.

Joshua 8:30-32
Then Joshua built an altar to the Lord, the God of Israel, in Mount Ebal, just as Moses the servant of the Lord had commanded the sons of Israel, as it is written in the book of the law of Moses, an altar of uncut stones on which no man had wielded an iron tool; and they offered burnt offerings on it to the Lord, and sacrificed peace offerings. He wrote there on the stones a copy of the law of Moses, which he had written, in the presence of the sons of Israel.

1 Kings 18:30-38
Then Elijah said to all the people, “Come near to me.” So all the people came near to him. And he repaired the altar of the Lord which had been torn down. Elijah took twelve stones according to the number of the tribes of the sons of Jacob, to whom the word of the Lord had come, saying, “Israel shall be your name.” So with the stones he built an altar in the name of the Lord, and he made a trench around the altar, large enough to hold two measures of seed.

Source: 99 Bible verses about Stones

The Maccabees were of the tribe of Levi, descendants of Aaron. They were not of Judah.

Nice try, genius.

 

[NathanH83]

It is relevant to me because I wish to post it. I need no other reason than that.

“So they tore down the altar, and stored the stones in a convenient place on the temple hill until there should come a prophet to tell what to do with them.” (1 Maccabees 4:46).

“Thus there was great distress in Israel, such as had not been since the time that prophets ceased to appear among them.” (1 Maccabees 9:27).

“And the Jews and their priests decided that Simon should be their leader and high priest for ever, until a trustworthy prophet should arise." (1 Maccabees 14:41).


Since I did not suggest any of that, there is nothing to answer.

If you’re not explaining your point, then don’t bother responding. Either explain what you mean or go away.

 

[Origen]

If you’re not explaining your point, then don’t bother responding. Either explain what you mean or go away.

I am providing relevant and important information from 1st Maccabees for others read and consider. They are self explanatory. The author said what he meant.

“So they tore down the altar, and stored the stones in a convenient place on the temple hill until there should come a prophet to tell what to do with them.” (1 Maccabees 4:46).

“Thus there was great distress in Israel, such as had not been since the time that prophets ceased to appear among them.” (1 Maccabees 9:27).

“And the Jews and their priests decided that Simon should be their leader and high priest for ever, until a trustworthy prophet should arise." (1 Maccabees 14:41).

Either explain what you mean or go away.

Those verses are able explain.

 

[pinacled]

The Maccabees were of the tribe of Levi, descendants of Aaron. They were not of Judah.

Nice try, genius.

Oh,
If that were the case then they defied The Torah of the Allmighty and are treasonous.

Are you certain that the maccabees were levites?

Numbers 1:48-53
For the Lord had spoken to Moses, saying, “Only the tribe of Levi you shall not number, nor shall you take their census among the sons of Israel. But you shall appoint the Levites over the tabernacle of the testimony, and over all its furnishings and over all that belongs to it. They shall carry the tabernacle and all its furnishings, and they shall take care of it; they shall also camp around the tabernacle

Source: 34 Bible verses about Levites

 

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The Maccabees were of the tribe of Levi, descendants of Aaron. They were not of Judah.

Nice try, genius.

Excerpt;
[ "The Hasmoneans claimed not only the throne of Judah, but also the post of High Priest. This assertion of religious authority conflicted with the tradition of the priests coming from the descendants of Moses' brother Aaron and the tribe of Levi.]

History & Overview of the Maccabees

Encyclopedia of Jewish and Israeli history, politics and culture, with biographies, statistics, articles and documents on topics from anti-Semitism to Zionism.

www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org

 

[NathanH83]

I am providing relevant and important information from 1st Maccabees for others read and consider. They are self explanatory. The author said what he meant.

“So they tore down the altar, and stored the stones in a convenient place on the temple hill until there should come a prophet to tell what to do with them.” (1 Maccabees 4:46).

“Thus there was great distress in Israel, such as had not been since the time that prophets ceased to appear among them.” (1 Maccabees 9:27).

“And the Jews and their priests decided that Simon should be their leader and high priest for ever, until a trustworthy prophet should arise." (1 Maccabees 14:41).


Those verses are able explain.

Explain what? That there were no prophets in the days of the Maccabees?
So what? What of it?
Is Nehemiah not scripture because he wasn’t a prophet?
You’ve explained nothing.

 

[NathanH83]

Oh,
If that were the case then they defied The Torah of the Allmighty and are treasonous.

Are you certain that the maccabees were levites?

Numbers 1:48-53
For the Lord had spoken to Moses, saying, “Only the tribe of Levi you shall not number, nor shall you take their census among the sons of Israel. But you shall appoint the Levites over the tabernacle of the testimony, and over all its furnishings and over all that belongs to it. They shall carry the tabernacle and all its furnishings, and they shall take care of it; they shall also camp around the tabernacle

Source: 34 Bible verses about Levites

How are they treasonous? Explain yourself.
Yes, Maccabees specifically says they’re Levite priests and descendants of Aaron. What’s treasonous?
It doesn’t say Simon Maccabees was their king. He was just their leader, just as Moses was a leader. What’s treason?

 

[NathanH83]

Excerpt;
[ "The Hasmoneans claimed not only the throne of Judah, but also the post of High Priest. This assertion of religious authority conflicted with the tradition of the priests coming from the descendants of Moses' brother Aaron and the tribe of Levi.]

History & Overview of the Maccabees

Encyclopedia of Jewish and Israeli history, politics and culture, with biographies, statistics, articles and documents on topics from anti-Semitism to Zionism.

www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org

So what about the Hasmoneans?
The Hasmoneans were their descendants.
Judas Maccabee and his brothers never wore a crown and claimed to be king.
Their descendants did later on.
What’s your point? What did Judas or Simon do that’s treason?
They never claimed to be king.

 

[pinacled]

How are they treasonous? Explain yourself.
Yes, Maccabees specifically says they’re Levite priests and descendants of Aaron. What’s treasonous?
It doesn’t say Simon Maccabees was their king. He was just their leader, just as Moses was a leader. What’s treason?

History & Overview of the Maccabees

Encyclopedia of Jewish and Israeli history, politics and culture, with biographies, statistics, articles and documents on topics from anti-Semitism to Zionism.

www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org

Do you recall the jews that are warned of being of the house of satan.
The word jews is a specific reference to the tribe of judah.

 

[pinacled]

So what about the Hasmoneans?
The Hasmoneans were their descendants.
Judas Maccabee and his brothers never wore a crown and claimed to be king.
Their descendants did later on.
What’s your point? What did Judas or Simon do that’s treason?
They never claimed to be king.

If they were levites they Trangessed The Torah by shedding blood with weapons of war by their very own hands.
If they were of the tribe of judah another discussion is in order.

The linage of levites were unbroken same as judah.

Which the hasmoneans were assuming power without divine authority nor reason of authenticity.

 

[NathanH83]

History & Overview of the Maccabees

Encyclopedia of Jewish and Israeli history, politics and culture, with biographies, statistics, articles and documents on topics from anti-Semitism to Zionism.

www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org

Do you recall the jews that are warned of being of the house of satan.
The word jews is a specific reference to the tribe of judah.

Uhuh? So what? Mattathias and his sons were Levites. You’re not making any sense.

 

[NathanH83]

If they were levites they Trangessed The Torah by shedding blood with weapons of war by their very own hands.
If they were of the tribe of judah another discussion is in order.

The linage of levites were unbroken same as judah.

Which the hasmoneans were assuming power without divine authority nor reason of authenticity.

I’m waiting for you to provide the scripture verse that proves what you just said.

 

[Origen]

You’ve explained nothing.

That is your opinion nothing more. Others might think otherwise. They might find them relevant and important information to scrutinize.

“So they tore down the altar, and stored the stones in a convenient place on the temple hill until there should come a prophet to tell what to do with them.” (1 Maccabees 4:46).

“Thus there was great distress in Israel, such as had not been since the time that prophets ceased to appear among them.” (1 Maccabees 9:27).

“And the Jews and their priests decided that Simon should be their leader and high priest for ever, until a trustworthy prophet should arise." (1 Maccabees 14:41).