Diversity doesn't mean equality at all.

[Bouan Philippe]

Revelation 7:9 After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands,

The aforementioned diversity doesn't mean that everyone will be equal in the new heaven and earth.

Why?

Because the Bible doesn't actually say that all the different groups of people should be equal, or identical in terms of their numerical size.

Therefore, some countries will always be bigger than others in terms of the size of their population.

But it's not to say that India and China would still be the biggest countries in terms of the size of their populations, because God can still use the genocide in Isaiah 24 to disproportionately target the people from developing countries so that they will be outnumbered by whites in the new heaven and earth.

Consequently, Africa, Asia and Latin America may well end up with far fewer people than Europe and North America in the new heaven and earth.

Because there is nothing at all in the Bible to say that the different groups of people should be numerically equal, or identical.

Ultimately, the whites may well outnumber the nonwhites in the new heaven and earth, whereby India and China might have the smallest instead of largest populations.

Please comment.

 

[Andrew]

Revelation 7:9 After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands,

The aforementioned diversity doesn't mean that everyone will be equal in the new heaven and earth.

Why?

Because the Bible doesn't actually say that all the different groups of people should be equal, or identical in terms of their numerical size.

Therefore, some countries will always be bigger than others in terms of the size of their population.

But it's not to say that India and China would still be the biggest countries in terms of the size of their populations, because God can still use the genocide in Isaiah 24 to disproportionately target the people from developing countries so that they will be outnumbered by whites in the new heaven and earth.

Consequently, Africa, Asia and Latin America may well end up with far fewer people than Europe and North America in the new heaven and earth.

Because there is nothing at all in the Bible to say that the different groups of people should be numerically equal, or identical.

Ultimately, the whites may well outnumber the nonwhites in the new heaven and earth, whereby India and China might have the smallest instead of largest populations.

Please comment.

Well given that there is no number to them we should not limit the nations according to it's borders, who can search the heart of men but God alone?

 

[tango]

I can't say I ever really worried about skin color when it comes to figuring out who will be in heaven. I don't recall it being a determining factor.

Maybe white people will outnumber non-white people based on western nations being more broadly Christian than other nations. But then western nations are perhaps also more prone to have the kind of people who show up at church on a Sunday morning for an hour and then live the other 167 hours of the week as if there were no God, while Christians in nations hostile to the faith have to literally take their life in their hands when they attend church so are unlikely to do it unless they really mean it.

But hey, who knows. It's almost as if skin color isn't important.

 

[Bouan Philippe]

Well given that there is no number to them we should not limit the nations according to it's borders, who can search the heart of men but God alone?

Obviously, I disagree on multiple counts:-

(1) It doesn't represent your own viewpoint, but you've simply been asked to mediate this conversation by the Totalitarian regime in China.

(2) THEY are suggesting that "God alone" is the Judge, but it totally contradicts the most fundamental doctrines in Christianity. More specifically, it contradicts the Bible's teaching regarding the divinity of the Son of God, that Jesus is the Son of God, and therefore God Himself does not Judge, but has given all Judgment authority to his Son Jesus. Therefore, whosoever does not respect my Judgment does not respect God who has sent me. Consequently, Christ alone is the ultimate Judge of the NATIONS, which is still a fundamental doctrine of the new covenant, and is true, whether THEY like it or not (John 5:22, 23 & 30 & Matthew 25:32, 33, 34 & 41). Here, we are talking about God's wholesale rejection of entire countries because the allegorical "sheep" and "goats" are symbolically used to represent entire countries, but they do not represent individuals at all.

(3) Obviously, most of the Western world are Christian, whereas, the majority of people in the Non-western world are not Christian. Therefore, it stands to reason that most of the vessels of mercy are Western nations (Romans 9:23), but most of the vessels of destruction are Non-western countries (Romans 9:22). Consequently, we automatically know that the "few" people in heaven are mostly Westerners (Matthew 7:13), but the vast majority of people who are destined to burn in hell are Non-western people because they are mostly Non-Christian (Matthew 7:14).

(4) That President Xi Jinping has asked you to mediate this conversation just goes to show that they now realise China can still be conquered, invaded and subjugated, and one of the key motives behind this mediation is to beseech me to reconsider his plea of mercy. However, God's pronouncement of "Everlasting hell" in Matthew 25:41 is equivalent to blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, whereby the transgressor will never be afforded a second chance. Fact of the matter is that I am totally against the idea of giving them a second chance, as I have always been PREJUDICED towards their country and their phenotype. However, there is nothing wrong with PREJUDICE at all, which is part of God's divine nature, except that we're not supposed to use any form of disparaging language to describe anyone who is Holy. For example, the alleged "winepress" in Isaiah 63 is not actually a winepress at all, but the metaphor is used in substitution of "fast food", which is considered to be too disparaging to appear in any religious text such as the Bible. Although true, we are not supposed to use certain words to describe God or Jesus because it is considered to be too disparaging. Consequently, God is most certainly PREJUDICED, although we are not supposed to say it. For this reason, I am totally against the suggestion that they might be given a second chance, which is on account of my PREJUDICE AND HATRED.

Ultimately, I am resolved to destroy their country, no matter what anybody says.

Because Dadrian's Theory of Utilitarian Genocide has theorised that the world would be a far better place if there would be more white people, but far fewer nonwhites.

Such a Theory seems relevant to the long term foreign policy objectives of France, otherwise President Macron would not have gone out of his way to tell me about this.

As a matter of fact, I wholeheartedly support Macron's suggestion that the world would be a better place if there would be more whites, but far fewer nonwhites, and will fight with my every last breath to implement such a policy worldwide.

However, I have no sympathy for President Xi Jinping at all, none whatsoever.

On account of his phenotype I have no sympathy at all.

 

[tango]

I've read this post multiple times and have to wonder what on earth you're talking about.

Somehow I suspect if President Xi Jinping really cared about a discussion on a relatively small internet message board he'd sign up (or have one of however many people works for him sign up) and post something himself.

If you have the means to destroy an entire country I'd love to know what it is. I was at my local hardware store only this afternoon and could only find something big enough to rip down individual walls. Most disappointing. They don't even sell tactical nuclear weapons.

 

[pinacled]

I've read this post multiple times and have to wonder what on earth you're talking about.

Somehow I suspect if President Xi Jinping really cared about a discussion on a relatively small internet message board he'd sign up (or have one of however many people works for him sign up) and post something himself.

If you have the means to destroy an entire country I'd love to know what it is. I was at my local hardware store only this afternoon and could only find something big enough to rip down individual walls. Most disappointing. They don't even sell tactical nuclear weapons.

I figured that the op is equating demographics to their beliefs.

Which has nothing to do with christian theology.

 

[Lamb]

Is the OP promoting White Supremacy? Seriously? God created ALL peoples.

 

[pinacled]

Is the OP promoting White Supremacy? Seriously? God created ALL peoples.

I thought that was the case also.

Excerpt; from the op
[ As a matter of fact, I wholeheartedly support Macron's suggestion that the world would be a better place if there would be more whites, but far fewer nonwhites, and will fight with my every last breath to implement such a policy worldwide.]

 

[pinacled]

In your 2nd point and statements below in brackets.
[ "Here, we are talking about God's wholesale rejection of entire countries because the allegorical "sheep" and "goats" are symbolically used to represent entire countries, but they do not represent individuals at all".]

How did you come by this belief?
Scripture is very clear that every individual is judged.
No one is judged based on nationality or genotype.

 

[Bouan Philippe]

I've read this post multiple times and have to wonder what on earth you're talking about.

Somehow I suspect if President Xi Jinping really cared about a discussion on a relatively small internet message board he'd sign up (or have one of however many people works for him sign up) and post something himself.

If you have the means to destroy an entire country I'd love to know what it is. I was at my local hardware store only this afternoon and could only find something big enough to rip down individual walls. Most disappointing. They don't even sell tactical nuclear weapons.

As concerning the bold letters it would be tantamount to handing you a gun, but do you really suppose I am so stupid to give away military state secrets, which are the sole exclusive reserve of France:-

 

[pinacled]

As concerning the bold letters it would be tantamount to handing you a gun, but do you really suppose I am so stupid to give away military state secrets, which are the sole exclusive reserve of France:-

If you served in the military.
You would have experience with joint operations.

"State secrets" is a civilian term.

Are you catphishing?

 

[pinacled]

Ignore the parliament and you'll find something beyond the territory of threat.

 

[Bouan Philippe]

Is the OP promoting White Supremacy? Seriously? God created ALL peoples.

Actually, I object to your using the word "White Supremacy" because you are clearly trying to discredit the OP.

Rather than "White Supremacy" why don't we call it "Western hegemony" instead?

As I object to people using the N-word or P-word, but there is nothing wrong with saying that somebody is Indian or Black instead, which really amounts to the same thing.

Thus, the term, "White supremacy" lies outside the bounds of decency and offends many people, but the "Dominance of Western civilisation" is a more acceptable terminology, which is tantamount to "White Supremacy".

In actual fact, practically every European supports "Western hegemony", but they would be wholly irrational to support the dominance of another group instead.

That God created all peoples doesn't negate the reality of "background extinction", which applies to humans as much as to animals.

The extinction of entire ethnic groups is a recurrent theme throughout history, because we know that history repeats itself according to the below Scripture:-

Ecclesiastes 1:9 What has been will be again, and what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun.

For instance, Mohicans were a Native American ethnicity who are now extinct.

The Ancient Britons were Germanic Celts who inhabited England until their eventual displacement by the Anglo-Saxons, but it doesn't mean that the people in Wales and Scotland are all descended from the displaced populations, but the Celts in England have disappeared due to the superior cultural influences of the Anglo-Saxons.

We have no right to deny the reality of backgrounds extinctions, and the extinction of entire ethnicities, which predates civilisation itself.

Ultimately, God is the creative and destructive force behind the rise and fall of civilisations (Job 12:23), or the genesis and extinction of entire ethnic populations according to the "boundaries of ethnicity" in Acts 17:26.

That God created all peoples doesn't mean that entire ethnic populations won't go extinct at the "appointed time", because such extinctions are part of human evolution, which is part of God's divine plan.

 

[Bouan Philippe]

Are you catphishing?

What do you care about catphising?

 

[Bouan Philippe]

If you served in the military.
You would have experience with joint operations.

Are you suggesting that the US territorial integrity can still be defended by the use of joint operations in regards to the Angels of Omnipotence?

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[Bouan Philippe]

In your 2nd point and statements below in brackets.
[ "Here, we are talking about God's wholesale rejection of entire countries because the allegorical "sheep" and "goats" are symbolically used to represent entire countries, but they do not represent individuals at all".]

How did you come by this belief?
Scripture is very clear that every individual is judged.
No one is judged based on nationality or genotype.

2 Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.

Revelation 20
13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. 14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

The aforementioned is the Scriptural basis of "Individual Judgment", but the below Scripture is the basis of "Collective or National Judgment":-

Matthew 25
32 All the NATIONS will be gathered before Him, and He will separate THEM one from another, as a shepherd divides his SHEEP from the GOATS. 33 And He will set the SHEEP on His right hand, but the GOATS on the left.

As you can see, Christ will be the Judge of NATIONS which are referred to as THEM/SHEEP/GOATS in Matthew 25:32.

Verse 32 doesn't actually say that the allegorical "sheep" and "goats" are individuals as such, but they are clearly NATIONS/THEM according to this particular verse.

Now, the Cambridge dictionary of English has provided two different definitions of the word, "nation":-

(1) a country, especially when thought of as a large group of people living in one area with their own government, language, traditions, etc.:

(2) a large group of people of the same race who share the same language, traditions, and history, but who might not all live in one area:

Thus, the word "nation" is synonymous to a racial/ethnic diaspora in (2).

Consequently, "God's Judgment of entire nations" (THEM/SHEEP/GOATS) in Matthew 25:32-33 is also the "Judgment of entire racial, ethnic and cultural diasporas".

Amen.

 

[Lamb]

Promotion of any race above others is not allowed here on Christianity Haven.

 

[Bouan Philippe]

Ignore the parliament and you'll find something beyond the territory of threat.

On the contrary, I have long since rejected the USA and nothing can make me reconsider America as being the epicenter of Christendom.

 

[Bouan Philippe]

I figured that the op is equating demographics to their beliefs.

Which has nothing to do with christian theology.

False.

The Scripture has everything to do with demographics, but my role is simply to correct the misassumptions of certain people on this forum:-

Revelation 7:9 After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands,

As you can see, the aforementioned diversity doesn't imply that all the different groups will be identical in terms of their numerical size, but some groups will always be numerically superior to others.

Consequently, the stated diversity doesn't imply that the different groups should be equal in terms of their strategic and geopolitical power.

Ultimately, it is important to rectify such a fundamental mistake in the exegesis of this particular passage, given that this passage is key and central to the new covenant.

Diversity doesn't mean equality. Period.

 

[Lamb]

False.

The Scripture has everything to do with demographics, but my role is simply to correct the misassumptions of certain people on this forum:-

Revelation 7:9 After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands,

As you can see, the aforementioned diversity doesn't imply that all the different groups will be identical in terms of their numerical size, but some groups will always be numerically superior to others.

Consequently, the stated diversity doesn't imply that the different groups should be equal in terms of their strategic and geopolitical power.

Ultimately, it is important to rectify such a fundamental mistake in the exegesis of this particular passage, given that this passage is key and central to the new covenant.

Diversity doesn't mean equality. Period.

How thoughtful of you to think we need your teaching here on this forum...we've seen many come and go who feel that they need to come here and teach but none of it is biblical so they don't last long.

Please don't promote race superiority on this site.