Did Jesus celebrate the Holiday that commemorates the Maccabees?

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The feast of dedication is a wedding.

And you are the one who likes to talk instead of listen.

Again, you’re not making sense. Specify the chapter and verse in Maccabees that talks about this wedding. If you can’t, then you’re just talking gibberish.
You’re wasting people’s time.
 

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Again, you’re not making sense. Specify the chapter and verse in Maccabees that talks about this wedding. If you can’t, then you’re just talking gibberish.
You’re wasting people’s time.
What occurred during the feast of dedication?
 

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What occurred during the feast of dedication?

From now on I’m blocking you and silencing your comments.
You’re comments are nonsensical and unrelated to the topic at hand. You’re wasting my time.
Goodbye.
 

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From now on I’m blocking you and silencing your comments.
You’re comments are nonsensical and unrelated to the topic at hand. You’re wasting my time.
Goodbye.
Are you afraid of the wedding
 

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The water changed to wine during a wedding during the winter.
John 2:4
 
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I can explain it to you, but I cannot understand it for you.
Sorry.

Explain what? There was a wedding that took place in Maccabees? Don’t just say you can explain it and then not explain it. If there’s something you’re trying to say then just say it.
 

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I can explain it to you, but I cannot understand it for you.
Sorry.

There was a wedding that took place in Tobit. But I don’t remember a wedding taking place in Maccabees. If there was, then provide chapter and verse and explain what your point is.

Also, how is it sinful to celebrate Hanukkah? Where does it say the Maccabees got tattoos?

People have been making these unsubstantiated claims here and not backing them up with any evidence, nor even provided a sensible explanation.

Care to explain?
 

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Jesus celebrated the Maccabees?


Probably...

Of course, that has nothing whatsoever to do with whether 4 books that have the word "Maccabees" in the moniker of the tome is thus the inerrant, canonical, normative, divinely-inscripturated words of God (Scripture). It just means an historical event happened which Jesus celebrated.


I learned about Thanksgiving from a Peanut's cartoon. And I celebrate Thanksgiving. Does that prove that ERGO all cartoons with Peanuts in the title are thus, ergo, therefore, The inerrant, canonical, normative, divinely-inscripturated words of God (Scripture)? Or does it simply mean folks can learn about a holiday from a great cartoon?


Hello McFly! Think!




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Probably...

Of course, that has nothing whatsoever to do with whether 4 books that have the word "Maccabees" in the moniker of the tome is thus the inerrant, canonical, normative, divinely-inscripturated words of God (Scripture). It just means an historical event happened which Jesus celebrated.


I learned about Thanksgiving from a Peanut's cartoon. And I celebrate Thanksgiving. Does that prove that ERGO all cartoons with Peanuts in the title are thus, ergo, therefore, The inerrant, canonical, normative, divinely-inscripturated words of God (Scripture)? Or does it simply mean folks can learn about a holiday from a great cartoon?


Hello McFly! Think!




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Maccabees is connected to Hanukkah just as much as Esther is connected to Purim. The Jews read Esther on Purim, and they read Maccabees on Hanukkah.

Do you really think that the Rugrats holiday special is the primary source text for Hanukkah?

Give me a break.

You know these are really lame excuses, don’t you?

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Maccabees is connected to Hanukkah just as much as Esther is connected to Purim. The Jews read Esther on Purim, and they read Maccabees on Hanukkah.


Obviously, you just evaded the whole point.


Did Jesus celebrate some event that is recorded in books? Probably...

Of course, that has nothing whatsoever to do with whether 4 books that have the word "Maccabees" in the moniker of the tome is thus the inerrant, canonical, normative, divinely-inscripturated words of God (Scripture). It just means an historical event happened which Jesus celebrated.


I learned about Thanksgiving from a Peanut's cartoon. And I celebrate Thanksgiving. Does that prove that ERGO all cartoons with Peanuts in the title are thus, ergo, therefore, The inerrant, canonical, normative, divinely-inscripturated words of God (Scripture)? Or does it simply mean folks can learn about a holiday from a great cartoon? THINK. However folks may or may not have learned this piece of their history, it's just beyond absurd to insist the that means ERGO just MUST be The inerrant, canonical, normative, divinely-inscripturated words of God (Scripture). Come on.... this is obvious. A book or song or cartoon or poem may contain history... even accurate history... and such may be read or sung or recited. There are millions of such examples. Sorry, that does NOT mandate that ergo such MUST be regarded as The inerrant, canonical, normative, divinely-inscripturated words of God (Scripture). You often have these absurd presumptions and incredible leaps. Brother, I don't know where you are getting this weird stuff but.... think.




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Maccabees is connected to Hanukkah just as much as Esther is connected to Purim. The Jews read Esther on Purim, and they read Maccabees on Hanukkah.
Jews don't read Maccabees on Hanukkah in a religious manner.

The lighting of the candles have specific prayers, but they are not in or from Maccabees specifically. They may read the book or similar books for personal edification, but not liturgically. This is in contrast with reading Ester during Purim and Lamentations during Tisha B'Av, etc. Again, Hanukkah isn't a religious holiday so much as a national holiday. The books of Maccabees are considered apocrypha in Judaism as well.

That said, of course the Maccabees are connected with Hanukkah, their accomplishments enabled the rededication of the Temple. But it still does not make the books scripture.
 

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Obviously, you just evaded the whole point.


Did Jesus celebrate some event that is recorded in books? Probably...

Of course, that has nothing whatsoever to do with whether 4 books that have the word "Maccabees" in the moniker of the tome is thus the inerrant, canonical, normative, divinely-inscripturated words of God (Scripture). It just means an historical event happened which Jesus celebrated.


I learned about Thanksgiving from a Peanut's cartoon. And I celebrate Thanksgiving. Does that prove that ERGO all cartoons with Peanuts in the title are thus, ergo, therefore, The inerrant, canonical, normative, divinely-inscripturated words of God (Scripture)? Or does it simply mean folks can learn about a holiday from a great cartoon? THINK. However folks may or may not have learned this piece of their history, it's just beyond absurd to insist the that means ERGO just MUST be The inerrant, canonical, normative, divinely-inscripturated words of God (Scripture). Come on.... this is obvious. A book or song or cartoon or poem may contain history... even accurate history... and such may be read or sung or recited. There are millions of such examples. Sorry, that does NOT mandate that ergo such MUST be regarded as The inerrant, canonical, normative, divinely-inscripturated words of God (Scripture). You often have these absurd presumptions and incredible leaps. Brother, I don't know where you are getting this weird stuff but.... think.




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Repeating yourself again?
Repeating yourself again?
Repeating yourself again?
 

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Jews don't read Maccabees on Hanukkah in a religious manner.

The lighting of the candles have specific prayers, but they are not in or from Maccabees specifically. They may read the book or similar books for personal edification, but not liturgically. This is in contrast with reading Ester during Purim and Lamentations during Tisha B'Av, etc. Again, Hanukkah isn't a religious holiday so much as a national holiday. The books of Maccabees are considered apocrypha in Judaism as well.

That said, of course the Maccabees are connected with Hanukkah, their accomplishments enabled the rededication of the Temple. But it still does not make the books scripture.

The Jews who lived before the time of Christ had 1 Maccabees in Hebrew and included in the Hebrew Bible. That’s why it was included in the Greek translation used by Jews, and later accepted by Christians.

It was only after 90 AD at the council of Jamnia (after the start of Christianity) that the unbelieving Jews took Maccabees out of their Hebrew Bible. But the Christians continued using the Greek translation which included Maccabees.

So, yes, Maccabees is holy canonical scripture, just like Esther is. The early church declared this at multiple early church councils in the 300’s.

Of course the Jews don’t accept it today. That’s the point. They took it out.

The Hebrew originals for 1 Maccabees are missing today. If a Jew today wants to read Maccabees in Hebrew, they have to translate it from Greek back into Hebrew. And this is what they did. And this is why you can find Hebrew versions of 1 Maccabees, because they translated it back into Hebrew.

Many Jews are completely confused as to why it’s not included in the Hebrew Bible. They celebrate it every winter, but it’s not in their Bibles, and it makes no sense to many of them why is not included.

Basically, the unbelieving rabbis of the 1st century wanted to say that the New Testament is not scripture, and that Jesus and John the Baptist are not prophets.

So they said that the last prophets were in Ezra’s day, and there are no prophets after the time of Ezra, and therefore no scripture after the time of Ezra. This way they say nobody in the New Testament is a prophet, and the New Testament is not scripture.

But in doing so, they discredited the Maccabees, since it comes after the time of Ezra. Thus, Maccabees had to go. So 90 AD, at the council of Jamnia, they took it out.
 

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Obviously, you just evaded the whole point.


Did Jesus celebrate some event that is recorded in books? Probably...

Of course, that has nothing whatsoever to do with whether 4 books that have the word "Maccabees" in the moniker of the tome is thus the inerrant, canonical, normative, divinely-inscripturated words of God (Scripture). It just means an historical event happened which Jesus celebrated.


I learned about Thanksgiving from a Peanut's cartoon. And I celebrate Thanksgiving. Does that prove that ERGO all cartoons with Peanuts in the title are thus, ergo, therefore, The inerrant, canonical, normative, divinely-inscripturated words of God (Scripture)? Or does it simply mean folks can learn about a holiday from a great cartoon? THINK. However folks may or may not have learned this piece of their history, it's just beyond absurd to insist the that means ERGO just MUST be The inerrant, canonical, normative, divinely-inscripturated words of God (Scripture). Come on.... this is obvious.




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Some interesting facts


The "Feast of tabernacles" is a holiday in observance of the Israelites 40 year journey through the desert where they would set up camp in a temporary shelter known as a Sukkah, Sukkot is the plural term which is also the Hebrew name for the holiday.
As they camped with God likewise God dwelt with them, to Tabernacle with someone is to dwell with them, hence the "Feast of tabernacles" AKA "Sukkot"

During the holiday a ceremony known as "the festival of lights" is celebrated which is based on Gods manifestation as a pillar of fire used to guide and illuminate the israelites during the night as they followed towards it. The ceremony is celebrated by erecting and camping in small huts illuminated by candle light, they also illuminated the synagogues and decorate them with lights.

Later the "festival of lights" became known as "Hanukkah", a Hebrew word meaning "dedication" and the lighting of the menorah inside the home is symbolic of the re-lighting of the menorah of the Temple after it had been re-dedicated to God and to the Jews and by the Jews through God, a man named Judah the Maccabee who in his account had an epiphany that his calling was to pour out the wrath of God unto the pagan idolaters who had robbed the Hebrews of their culture and turned their Temple into a place of pagan worship and dedication to their god Zeus who's statue stood in the place of God in Gods Temple.
After the victory and defeat over the greeks, Judah re-dedicated the Temple of God in which the "feast of dedication" is named after. Judah's dedication of the Temple and the Maccabean revolt became the origins of the story of Hanukkah, the ceremony of the "festival of lights" is now a ceremony during "Hanukkah" in remembrance of the light of God illuminating the renewed Temple.


Now here we see that in between "The Feast of Tabernacles" and "The Feast of Dedication" Jesus goes to Jerusalem and preaches in the Temple saying that HE is the light!

(It was tradition for Jewish men to journey to Jerusalem before the feasts began to symbolize God calling forth the Israelites to lead them to the promised land)

Now the Jew's feast of tabernacles was at hand.
John 7:2

Now about the midst of the feast Jesus went up into the temple, and taught.
John 7:14

And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them.
John 8:2

Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.
John 8:12

As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.
John 9:5

And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter. And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch.
John 10:22-23
 
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Sorry for the typos and poor grammar, I'm too lazy to correct them
 

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Some interesting facts


The "Feast of tabernacles" is a holiday in observance of the Israelites 40 year journey through the desert where they would set up camp in a temporary shelter known as a Sukkah, Sukkot is the plural term which is also the Hebrew name for the holiday.
As they camped with God likewise God dwelt with them, to Tabernacle with someone is to dwell with them, hence the "Feast of tabernacles" AKA "Sukkot"

During the holiday a ceremony known as "the festival of lights" is celebrated which is based on Gods manifestation as a pillar of fire used to guide and illuminate the israelites during the night as they followed towards it. The ceremony is celebrated by erecting and camping in small huts illuminated by candle light, they also illuminated the synagogues and decorate them with lights.

Later the "festival of lights" became known as "Hanukkah", a Hebrew word meaning "dedication" and the lighting of the menorah inside the home is symbolic of the re-lighting of the menorah of the Temple after it had been re-dedicated to God and to the Jews and by the Jews through God, a man named Judah the Maccabee who in his account had an epiphany that his calling was to pour out the wrath of God unto the pagan idolaters who had robbed the Hebrews of their culture and turned their Temple into a place of pagan worship and dedication to their god Zeus who's statue stood in the place of God in Gods Temple.
After the victory and defeat over the greeks, Judah re-dedicated the Temple of God in which the "feast of dedication" is named after. Judah's dedication of the Temple and the Maccabean revolt became the origins of the story of Hanukkah, the ceremony of the "festival of lights" is now a ceremony during "Hanukkah" in remembrance of the light of God illuminating the renewed Temple.


Now here we see that in between "The Feast of Tabernacles" and "The Feast of Dedication" Jesus goes to Jerusalem and preaches in the Temple saying that HE is the light!

(It was tradition for Jewish men to journey to Jerusalem before the feasts began to symbolize God calling forth the Israelites to lead them to the promised land)

Now the Jew's feast of tabernacles was at hand.
John 7:2

Now about the midst of the feast Jesus went up into the temple, and taught.
John 7:14

And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them.
John 8:2

Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.
John 8:12

As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.
John 9:5

And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter. And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch.
John 10:22-23


I agree with every word of that post; And yes, nothing in it has ANY relevance whatsoever to any of the books with "Maccabees" in the moniker thus thereby being The inerrant, canonical, normative, divinely-inscripturated words of God (Scripture). Nothing.

For the past 1900 years, the Jews have been celebrating the event you mention.... and not one Jew during this 1900 years accepts any tome with "Maccabees" in the moniker as Scripture. So OBVIOUSLY, it's not only possible but is the reality that it's possible to celebrate that event and NOT accept any Maccabee book as.... anything more than one history book.



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So, yes, Maccabees is holy canonical scripture, just like Esther is. The early church declared this at multiple early church councils in the 300’s.
Which councils declared Maccabees to be Holy Scripture?
 
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