Did Jesus celebrate the Holiday that commemorates the Maccabees?

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Picture taken from John 10:22 in the original 1611 King James.
The Feast of Dedication is the Feast of Hanukkah, as shown in this marginal note.

Jesus celebrated the Maccabees?

But they told me that the New Testament never acknowledges the Apocrypha.

???????
 
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John 10:22 in the original 1611 King James.
The Feast of Dedication is the Feast of Hanukkah, as shown in this marginal note.

Jesus celebrated the Maccabees?

But they told me that the New Testament never acknowledges the Apocrypha.

???????
Chanukah isn't a 'holy day.
Its a memorial day.

So to answer your que.
No.
Yeshua never celebrated such a day.

Blessed be The Holy One
 

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There are 3 Holy yammin.
Pesach, Shavuot, and Sukkot that are analogous to "where two or three are gathered in my name".

Blessed be The Holy One
 

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Chanukah isn't a 'holy day.
Its a memorial day.

So to answer your que.
No.
Yeshua never celebrated such a day.

Blessed be The Holy One

Yes he did. John 10 says that he did.
 

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Yes he did. John 10 says that he did.
Being present during the feast of dedication doesn't equal celebration.
Being present in the company of sinners doesn't equal celebrating sin.

Do you Understand?
 

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Being present during the feast of dedication doesn't equal celebration.
Being present in the company of sinners doesn't equal celebrating sin.

Do you Understand?

What is sinful about the holiday? Judas Maccabee purified the temple that the Greeks defiled and rededicated it to the Lord. How is that sinful?

And it never says that Jesus refused to celebrate it. Otherwise he would have refused to go, just like when he told his brothers that he refused to go to the feast of tabernacles (but ended up going secretly).

Jesus never told his disciples that he refused to celebrate. You just made that up.

Besides, whether Jesus celebrated isn’t the issue. The issue is that the New Testament acknowledges the Apocrypha. Yet Bible teachers today say that the Apocrypha isn’t referenced in the New Testament.
 

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What is sinful about the holiday? Judas Maccabee purified the temple that the Greeks defiled and rededicated it to the Lord. How is that sinful?

And it never says that Jesus refused to celebrate it. Otherwise he would have refused to go, just like when he told his brothers that he refused to go to the feast of tabernacles (but ended up going secretly).

Jesus never told his disciples that he refused to celebrate. You just made that up.

Besides, whether Jesus celebrated isn’t the issue. The issue is that the New Testament acknowledges the Apocrypha. Yet Bible teachers today say that the Apocrypha isn’t referenced in the New Testament.
A yes or no would have been a truthful response.

Instead you have chose to avoid the obvious and responded with obscurity.

When andrew invited you to this forum did he give you any basic instruction about table manners?
 

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Sure he did, I honestly don't think that there is a lot of debate about it, but maybe there is more than I know. However, the likely fact that he celebrated the Feast of Lights/Hanukkah does not necessarily make the books of Maccabees scripture. It was written around 100-60BC, so likely that it would not have been read as scripture by the Jewish community. It may have been read as popular history, or part of some traditions in a liturgical way, however.

It is not a "Holy Day" like Yom Kippur or Passover, or even the Sabbath, however. Compare it to how Americans celebrate Independence Day as well as Easter/Resurrection Sunday. One is religious outright, one is a celebration. The comparison is not exact since the rededication was also religious, but you get the idea.

The feast celebrates a historic event that happened, the books tell that story, but that does not necessarily mean that the actual books are scripture. The event only happened around 160 years before Jesus, that's roughly the time from Abraham Lincoln's Presidency to now, for perspective.

Think of it like a book about Jesus. You could have a historical book that tells all of his life and resurrection, but that would not make that book scripture.

Who says the NT does not mention the apocryphal books? There is also mention of Enoch, among other suspected books. The thing is that the canon of scripture for Jews and Christians was not completely set at the time of the writing of the NT, so there were other books floating around, much like the time before the Christian canon was decided.

*edit*
I should add, the NT mentions content and "books" that may be the same as we have in the apocrypha, but they also may not be, most of the time we don't have enough evidence to say so conclusively. What is conclusive is that the content is similar enough that it is possible. But personally, I don't think it is wise to rest "possible" with scripture. I would prefer to err on the cautious side on this one and leave it to apocryphal literature, the same as I do with Enoch.
 
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The Key word being "conclusive"

Amen
 

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Sure he did, I honestly don't think that there is a lot of debate about it, but maybe there is more than I know. However, the likely fact that he celebrated the Feast of Lights/Hanukkah does not necessarily make the books of Maccabees scripture. It was written around 100-60BC, so likely that it would not have been read as scripture by the Jewish community. It may have been read as popular history, or part of some traditions in a liturgical way, however.

It is not a "Holy Day" like Yom Kippur or Passover, or even the Sabbath, however. Compare it to how Americans celebrate Independence Day as well as Easter/Resurrection Sunday. One is religious outright, one is a celebration. The comparison is not exact since the rededication was also religious, but you get the idea.

The feast celebrates a historic event that happened, the books tell that story, but that does not necessarily mean that the actual books are scripture. The event only happened around 160 years before Jesus, that's roughly the time from Abraham Lincoln's Presidency to now, for perspective.

Think of it like a book about Jesus. You could have a historical book that tells all of his life and resurrection, but that would not make that book scripture.

Who says the NT does not mention the apocryphal books? There is also mention of Enoch, among other suspected books. The thing is that the canon of scripture for Jews and Christians was not completely set at the time of the writing of the NT, so there were other books floating around, much like the time before the Christian canon was decided.

*edit*
I should add, the NT mentions content and "books" that may be the same as we have in the apocrypha, but they also may not be, most of the time we don't have enough evidence to say so conclusively. What is conclusive is that the content is similar enough that it is possible. But personally, I don't think it is wise to rest "possible" with scripture. I would prefer to err on the cautious side on this one and leave it to apocryphal literature, the same as I do with Enoch.
[ It is not a "Holy Day" like Yom Kippur or Passover, or even the Sabbath, however. Compare it to how Americans celebrate Independence Day as well as Easter/Resurrection Sunday. One is religious outright, one is a celebration. The comparison is not exact since the rededication was also religious, but you get the idea.]

I agree with your sentiment.
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What is sinful about the holiday? Judas Maccabee purified the temple that the Greeks defiled and rededicated it to the Lord. How is that sinful?

And it never says that Jesus refused to celebrate it. Otherwise he would have refused to go, just like when he told his brothers that he refused to go to the feast of tabernacles (but ended up going secretly).

Jesus never told his disciples that he refused to celebrate. You just made that up.

Besides, whether Jesus celebrated isn’t the issue. The issue is that the New Testament acknowledges the Apocrypha. Yet Bible teachers today say that the Apocrypha isn’t referenced in the New Testament.
do you recall where it is written that a person "shall not mark themselves with the dead"?

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Sure he did, I honestly don't think that there is a lot of debate about it, but maybe there is more than I know. However, the likely fact that he celebrated the Feast of Lights/Hanukkah does not necessarily make the books of Maccabees scripture. It was written around 100-60BC, so likely that it would not have been read as scripture by the Jewish community. It may have been read as popular history, or part of some traditions in a liturgical way, however.

It is not a "Holy Day" like Yom Kippur or Passover, or even the Sabbath, however. Compare it to how Americans celebrate Independence Day as well as Easter/Resurrection Sunday. One is religious outright, one is a celebration. The comparison is not exact since the rededication was also religious, but you get the idea.

The feast celebrates a historic event that happened, the books tell that story, but that does not necessarily mean that the actual books are scripture. The event only happened around 160 years before Jesus, that's roughly the time from Abraham Lincoln's Presidency to now, for perspective.

Think of it like a book about Jesus. You could have a historical book that tells all of his life and resurrection, but that would not make that book scripture.

Who says the NT does not mention the apocryphal books? There is also mention of Enoch, among other suspected books. The thing is that the canon of scripture for Jews and Christians was not completely set at the time of the writing of the NT, so there were other books floating around, much like the time before the Christian canon was decided.

*edit*
I should add, the NT mentions content and "books" that may be the same as we have in the apocrypha, but they also may not be, most of the time we don't have enough evidence to say so conclusively. What is conclusive is that the content is similar enough that it is possible. But personally, I don't think it is wise to rest "possible" with scripture. I would prefer to err on the cautious side on this one and leave it to apocryphal literature, the same as I do with Enoch.
Who are the bible teachers ?
[ Besides, whether Jesus celebrated isn’t the issue. The issue is that the New Testament acknowledges the Apocrypha. Yet Bible teachers today say that the Apocrypha isn’t referenced in the New Testament.]

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Picture taken from John 10:22 in the original 1611 King James.
The Feast of Dedication is the Feast of Hanukkah, as shown in this marginal note.

Jesus celebrated the Maccabees?

But they told me that the New Testament never acknowledges the Apocrypha.

???????
No means No

Do you understand?
 

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How come modern versions don’t have this marginal note anymore?
What are they trying to hide?

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How come modern versions don’t have this marginal note anymore?
What are they trying to hide?

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Because they wanted to make the bible 100% Holy whereas before it was only 90% Holy so they had to go
 

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