Who entertained angels unaware, as stated in Hebrews 13:2?

[Andrew]

Each account of Angel's visited in the past there followed a revealing Truth.

According to Paul that's not always the case, angels can intentionally conceal their identity to make spectators unaware to the fact that they are angels, if you don't believe this then disregard Paul because obviously you can spot an angel with no problem, that's a remarkable gift to have! How many angels have you spotted so far?

 

[Andrew]

Now I am shocked.

"Please do not depart from here until I come to you and bring out my present and set it before you.” And he said, “I will stay till you return.”

So Gideon went into his house and prepared a young goat and unleavened cakes from an ehah of flour. The meat he put in a basket, and the broth he put in a pot, and brought them to him under the terebinth and presented them.

Gideon (1) requested that he not leave, (2) he told him he was going give his "present and set it before you," in other words served him, and then, (3) Gideon prepared him a meal, (4) and then brought it to him.

This is after he requested a sign, he probably got this down in a flash!!!

...Thomas put his fingers in Jesus sores, not nearly as much of a hassle but I doubt any of these two were expecting to be let down

 

[pinacled]

Now I am shocked.

"Please do not depart from here until I come to you and bring out my present and set it before you.” And he said, “I will stay till you return.”

So Gideon went into his house and prepared a young goat and unleavened cakes from an ehah of flour. The meat he put in a basket, and the broth he put in a pot, and brought them to him under the terebinth and presented them.

Gideon (1) requested that he not leave, (2) he told him he was going give his "present and set it before you," in other words served him, and then, (3) Gideon prepared him a meal, (4) and then brought it to him.

I doubt know what you call it but when someone request another not to leave, tell they are going to give that person a present, prepare a meal for that person, and then serves it, that sounds a lot like entertaining.

Amen

Entertaining is part and parcel in testing the spirits.

Blessings Always

 

[Andrew]

"I was sent to put you to the test. At the same time, however, God sent me to heal you and your daughter-in-law Sarah."

The above citation is opposite from Hebrews and instruction given by The Lord of Lights to test the spirits!
1 John 4

So again disregard Paul about entertaining angels, also Abraham was about to sacrifice Issac, that was a test..

concerning Raphael, can demons drive out demons? and how were they to test the spirit of an angel they were "unaware" of being one.

 

[Origen]

This is after he requested a sign, he probably got this down in a flash!!!

You asked: "How exactly was Gideon entertaining the angel?"

I cited the information in the text concerning what Gideon did.

Gideon (1) requested that he not leave, (2) he told him he was going give his "present and set it before you," in other words served him, and then, (3) Gideon prepared him a meal, (4) and then brought it to him.

Do you deny that Gideon entertain him? What would you call it?

he probably got this down in a flash!!!

Pure speculation without any evidence to support it.

 

[Andrew]

Amen

Entertaining is part and parcel in testing the spirits.

Blessings Always

So Gideons angel instructing him of what to bring him is now different then Raphael doing the exact same thing?

Pinacled, are the Eastern Orthodox going to hell for accepting this blasphemous and wicked book of Tobit as God Inspired Scripture?

 

[pinacled]

So again disregard Paul about entertaining angels, also Abraham was about to sacrifice Issac, that was a test..

concerning Raphael, can demons drive out demons? and how were they to test the spirit of an angel they were "unaware" of being one.

1>Abraham was tested by The LORD,
not an angel(spirit).

2>Exactly,
The alleged liar called Raphael cannot expel or heal afflictions from demons.
A liar casting out demons is obviously false.
Just as Yeshua taught in the parable of a house cleansed to only have more demons returning.

Hope you understand.

Blessings Always

 

[pinacled]

So Gideons angel instructing him of what to bring him is now different then Raphael doing the exact same thing?

Pinacled, are the Eastern Orthodox going to hell for accepting this blasphemous and wicked book of Tobit as God Inspired Scripture?

Gideon's angel "instructing" 123 and 4 that origen mentioned? please cite a source.

 

[pinacled]

You asked: "How exactly was Gideon entertaining the angel?"

I cited the information in the text concerning what Gideon did.

Gideon (1) requested that he not leave, (2) he told him he was going give his "present and set it before you," in other words served him, and then, (3) Gideon prepared him a meal, (4) and then brought it to him.

Do you deny that Gideon entertain him? What do you call it?


Pure speculation without any evidence to support it.

Excellent numerical observation sir!

Blessings Always

 

[Andrew]

You asked: "How exactly was Gideon entertaining the angel?"

I cited the information in the text concerning what Gideon did.

Gideon (1) requested that he not leave, (2) he told him he was going give his "present and set it before you," in other words served him, and then, (3) Gideon prepared him a meal, (4) and then brought it to him.

Do you deny that Gideon entertain him? What do you call it?


Pure speculation without any evidence to support it.

I know what Gideon did, I know he did this after asking for a miracle so he had to be anticipating the answer concerning the angel proving to Gideon that he is not a man.. he wasnt just entertaining some angel disguised as a starving hobo unaware, the angel presented himself as a messenger

 

[Lamb]

I know what Gideon did, I know he did this after asking for a miracle so he had to be anticipating the answer concerning the angel proving to Gideon that he is not a man.. he wasnt just entertaining some angel disguised as a starving hobo unaware, the angel presented himself as a messenger

You are saying he asked for a miracle because he was sure that he was in the presence of an angel but people ask for a sign to weed out the fakers too.

 

[Origen]

he wasnt just entertaining some angel disguised as a starving hobo unaware, the angel presented himself as a messenger

I never said he was. In fact I repeatedly use the moniker "angel of the LORD."

 

[Origen]

You are saying he asked for a miracle because he was sure that he was in the presence of an angel but people ask for a sign to weed out the fakers too.

Exactly!!! Asking for a sign shows that Gideon was not sure, that he did not know. It makes no sense to ask for proof if Gideon already knew it was the angel of the Lord. Moreover it makes no sense for Gideon to address the angel of the LORD as "Lord" if Gideon indeed knew it was the LORD.

 

[pinacled]

Irrelevant.

And sorry, but questions substantiate absolutely NOTHING.

Hebrews doesn't state who these people were. Now, unless you 've spoken with the author of Hebrews and he told you - and you can prove this - then you don't know who he is speaking of. Trust matters. Honesty matters. Now, if that author DID speak personally to YOU and told YOU their names, then prove it. Then you can make a claim.

Hello, McFly? Hello? Anybody home?
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Hebrews does state who the Angel's are when a person accepts the resurrection.

Time is fluid.
And Fire from Heaven burns hotter than the enemies darts.

Water and Fire with temperance of the soul is a gift of endurance from above.
A sword of Truth to guide a person on the straight path of Grace.
Only with trust in a full quiver will Tzadik find a sword in its scabberd with arrows and stones used for peace.
A weight or burden worthy to carry till death is no more.
A place in time where weapons of war are a kindling to provide warmth to those who seek The Holy One of Israel.

Seek and a soul of water washed will find the fire that will never extinguish.

Blessed be The Holy One

 

[Andrew]

1>Abraham was tested by The LORD,
not an angel(spirit).

2>Exactly,
The alleged liar called Raphael cannot expel or heal afflictions from demons.
A liar casting out demons is obviously false.
Just as Yeshua taught in the parable of a house cleansed to only have more demons returning.

Hope you understand.

Blessings Always

Wrong.

Jesus says that devils can not cast out devils for a house divided will not stand.

Any one who claims that a devil can cast out a devil is blaspheming the Holy Spirit, anything that has been made clean has been made Holy by the authority of Almighty God, again, devils cannot cast out devils.

Also God sent Raphael to test Tobits family, Raphael testifies this, but since you disregard the book as having any truth I expect you to say Raphael is lying, just like how you claim all angels have to identify themselves and perform miracles and tell prophecies or they are devils, contradicting Paul's statement that we may entertain angels unaware.

 

[Andrew]

You are saying he asked for a miracle because he was sure that he was in the presence of an angel but people ask for a sign to weed out the fakers too.

true but even devils can perform lying signs and wonders, I thought the way to test spirits is with scripture? For one they can't proclaim Jesus as their Lord and Savior, and when Satan tempted Jesus he twisted the scriptures just like how in the beginning he twisted the command of God to tempt Eve.

 

[pinacled]

Wrong.

Jesus says that devils can not cast out devils for a house divided will not stand.

Any one who claims that a devil can cast out a devil is blaspheming the Holy Spirit, anything that has been made clean has been made Holy by the authority of Almighty God, again, devils cannot cast out devils.

Also God sent Raphael to test Tobits family, Raphael testifies this, but since you disregard the book as having any truth I expect you to say Raphael is lying, just like how you claim all angels have to identify themselves and perform miracles and tell prophecies or they are devils, contradicting Paul's statement that we may entertain angels unaware.

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The theatrical character called Raphael in the book of tobit is recorded for all to see as a liar .
The alleged angel claimed to be a man of a tribe of israel.
Which is contrary to all other Angel's recorded by men of valor within The Holy scripture..

 

[pinacled]

true but even devils can perform lying signs and wonders, I thought the way to test spirits is with scripture? For one they can't proclaim Jesus as their Lord and Savior, and when Satan tempted Jesus he twisted the scriptures just like how in the beginning he twisted the command of God to tempt Eve.

" devils can perform lying signs and wonders,..."

Ie tobits account of raphael ..!

 

[Andrew]

Exactly!!! Asking for a sign shows that Gideon was not sure, that he did not know. It makes no sense to ask for proof if Gideon already knew it was the angel of the Lord. Moreover it makes no sense for Gideon to address the angel of the LORD as "Lord" if Gideon indeed knew it was the LORD.

Usually when I walk passed a stranger I ask them to perform a miracle to prove whether or not they are an angel, that's not normal and it defeats the purpose of being courteous to everyone.
Gideon in my opinion is not part of the "some people" that Paul uses because his encounter had nothing to do with an angel trying to pass as a human but an angel trying to convince Gideon that this IS the LORD speaking and Gibeon requesting proof which was granted to him.

 

[Andrew]

" devils can perform lying signs and wonders,..."

Ie tobits account of raphael ..!

He drove out a devil! HELLO!!!!?? Ever heard of the unforgivable sin?
Only devils cant drive out devils, the devil in Tobit was cast out by GODS WILL according to Raphael, if you say that the miracles and exorcisms in Tobit are done by the devil then just say the book is fiction and leave it at that because you claiming that devils can cast out devils and make things clean THEY CANT