Snopes, Creationism and Conspiracy Theory

[Faith]

Why Creationism Bears All the Hallmarks of a Conspiracy Theory | Snopes.com


I probably should stop looking at the Answers In Genesis site. They rant on about this article, above. And rant so much that I don’t even know what to think. I tried to fact check Snopes and all I keep getting is this article. Is Creationism a conspiracy theory? Why or Why not?

 

[Faith]

Ok, I went back to AIG to read some more about the controversy surrounding this article, and it seems that the article was written by an “ardent“ atheist who has some horrible things to say about God. Also, it has a disclaimer at the beginning, saying that it “doesn’t represent the work of Snopes fact checkers or editors.”
So, Snopes is a site for fact checking but they apparently didn’t check their own story.

Snopes Exposed!

 

[Lamb]

Yeah I wouldn't put my trust into any articles written by nonbelievers. I'd go to God's Word for the truth.

 

[Faith]

Yeah I wouldn't put my trust into any articles written by nonbelievers. I'd go to God's Word for the truth.

Why is there so much hostility among such zealous atheists?

 

[Lamb]

Why is there so much hostility among such zealous atheists?

Hostility against God or Christians?

 

[Faith]

Playing devils advocate here, Is Creationism a conspiracy theory? Why or why not?

 

[kiwimac]

Yes, it is. The evidence does not support YEC.

 

[Lamb]

Playing devils advocate here, Is Creationism a conspiracy theory? Why or why not?

What does God say through His Word?

 

[tango]

Why Creationism Bears All the Hallmarks of a Conspiracy Theory | Snopes.com


I probably should stop looking at the Answers In Genesis site. They rant on about this article, above. And rant so much that I don’t even know what to think. I tried to fact check Snopes and all I keep getting is this article. Is Creationism a conspiracy theory? Why or Why not?

I'm not sure I'd regard Snopes as a reliable source of information regarding things spiritual. I'd take them with a pinch of salt regarding things secular - this is the site that decided to fact-check articles written by the Babylon Bee after all. You know, the web site whose tagline is "fake news you can trust" - it's not as if they are even pretending to be a real news site.

 

[Castle Church]

Creationism itself spans many different levels, as does evolution. There really does not need to be a hard yes/no on either end. YEC does not stand up to scientific scrutiny, but full blown evolution is still theoretical too. Basically the hardline sides of both theories are still theories, they just can't be proven.

The article does not actually debunk Creationism, but rather Young Earth Creationism. That said, IMO the purpose of the Bible is not scientific, it is chiefly spiritual and prophetic, secondly historical, thirdly poetic, and lastly there are a number of different categories of subjects - including scientific. It is just not intended to be a manual of everything scientific.

 

[Andrew]

Evolution is a theory :/

 

[Faith]

Yes, it is. The evidence does not support YEC.

It doesnt?

Creationism itself spans many different levels, as does evolution. There really does not need to be a hard yes/no on either end. YEC does not stand up to scientific scrutiny, but full blown evolution is still theoretical too. Basically the hardline sides of both theories are still theories, they just can't be proven.

The article does not actually debunk Creationism, but rather Young Earth Creationism. That said, IMO the purpose of the Bible is not scientific, it is chiefly spiritual and prophetic, secondly historical, thirdly poetic, and lastly there are a number of different categories of subjects - including scientific. It is just not intended to be a manual of everything scientific.

So YEC could be true? My pastor is ok with my believing in an old earth.

 

[Castle Church]

It doesnt?

So YEC could be true? My pastor is ok with my believing in an old earth.

Personally, no, I do not believe it is true. At least not a very young Earth. We have verifiable archaeological records from older than many YEC say the Earth's age is. I personally believe trying to divine the age of the Earth based on the genealogies of the Bible is a fools errand. They were not placed in the scriptures for that reason. We know animals evolve, perhaps not macro-evolution, but speciation and such is verifiable.

I believe the point of the creation story is to show that God created everything and is the architect of the Earth and all realms. I think that is the purpose of the scriptures. Whether God created it all in 7 solar days or 7 million years does not really matter to me in the end. He could do it so how he chooses, and maybe that was by creating through natural means with his hand guiding things. Maybe it all sprung out looking old. Our musings on how it may have been done don't impact the epic of the Gospels or the poetry of the Jewish Scriptures.

In the end the story of God is more about the salvation of mankind and how God relates to us, I don't feel things like this should impact our spiritual lives and how we interact with God. I do think it is wonderful to get outside and be in creation, to experience it. Looking deeper into the science of how it all works is wonderous, it is an incredible thing to be here and be alive.

 

[Faith]

Personally, no, I do not believe it is true. At least not a very young Earth. We have verifiable archaeological records from older than many YEC say the Earth's age is. I personally believe trying to divine the age of the Earth based on the genealogies of the Bible is a fools errand. They were not placed in the sculptures for that reason. We know animals evolve, perhaps not macro-evolution, but speciation and such is verifiable.

I believe the point of the creation story is to show that God created everything and is the architect of the Earth and all realms. I think that is the purpose of the scriptures. Whether God created it all in 7 solar days or 7 million years does not really matter to me in the end. He could do it so how he chooses, and maybe that was by creating through natural means with his hand guiding things. Maybe it all sprung out looking old. Our musings on how it may have been done don't impact the epic of the Gospels or the poetry of the Jewish Scriptures.

In the end the story of God is more about the salvation of mankind and how God relates to us, I don't feel things like this should impact our spiritual lives and how we interact with God. I do think it is wonderful to get outside and be in creation, to experience it. Looking deeper into the science of how it all works is wonderous, it is an incredible thing to be here and be alive.

Personally, I don’t know how God created or how long it took but I believe He was the one who created the Earth, not by some unguided process., On that we agree.
As far as the earth being 6,000 to 10,000 years old, I‘d considered it but in the end I couldn’t buy it. But like I said, my pastor and another pastor he consulted on this matter (primarily for my own peace) are ok with my believing in an older earth.

i know there are few LCMS here but of those who are, do you believe in a young earth, say 6,000 to 10,000 years old, or an older earth?

 

[hedrick]

Yes, it is. If fact I would suggest that the idea that mainstream science is conspiring to attack Christianity is the beginning of many other conspiracy theories, from not believing in global warming to the anti vax movement and Trump’s Big Lie.

 

[hedrick]

Note that this is in a section of news and opinion, and is not part of Snopes‘ fact checking. Personally I think having such a suggestion compromises the main purpose of the site.

 

[Faith]

Yes, it is. If fact I would suggest that the idea that mainstream science is conspiring to attack Christianity is the beginning of many other conspiracy theories, from not believing in global warming to the anti vax movement and Trump’s Big Lie.

I don’t quite understand your position. So you think the belief in Creationism is a conspiracy theory, or the idea that science is attacking Christianity is a conspiracy theory?

 

[hedrick]

I don’t quite understand your position. So you think the belief in Creationism is a conspiracy theory, or the idea that science is attacking Christianity is a conspiracy theory?

Specific beliefs such as creationism can’t be conspiracy theory. But most advocates I’ve read combine it with ideas ranging from scientists being biased against Christianiy to being part of a Satanic plot against Christianity. That’s conspiracy theory.

 

[Faith]

Personally, I don’t know how God created or how long it took but I believe He was the one who created the Earth, not by some unguided process., On that we agree.
As far as the earth being 6,000 to 10,000 years old, I‘d considered it but in the end I couldn’t buy it. But like I said, my pastor and another pastor he consulted on this matter (primarily for my own peace) are ok with my believing in an older earth.

i know there are few LCMS here but of those who are, do you believe in a young earth, say 6,000 to 10,000 years old, or an older earth?

Are there any other LCMS old earthers here?

 

[Faith]

Are there any other LCMS old earthers here?

None?