Did God create everything that exists?

[pinacled]

Ah,
Are you referring to the Tree in the garden that was prohibited from adam and eve?

If so please explain why you think God called it good and evil?

Nathan of the garden

Yecheskel(Ezekiel 28
[Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.]

Though a tree/angel was created it became corrupted by its vanity.

Hence the ordinance to "abstain from an appearance of evil".
And the nakedness that adam and eve experienced.

Blessings Always

 

[pinacled]

Like for example, is there anything that exists that God didn’t create?

Are you claiming that the tree of good and evil as is was created?

 

[pinacled]

Are you claiming that the tree of good and evil as is was created?

צֵ֥ר אוֹר֙ וּבוֹרֵ֣א חֹ֔שֶׁךְ עֹשֶׂ֥ה שָׁל֖וֹם וּב֣וֹרֵא רָ֑ע אֲנִ֥י יְהוָ֖ה עֹשֶׂ֥ה כָל־אֵֽלֶּה׃ (ס)

I form light and create darkness, I make weal and create woe— I the LORD do all these things.]}

Perhaps you are confused by certain english translations and false teachings.
רָ֑ע
Resh_fire
Ayin_70
" if thine eye be single"....

Woe Meaning adverse

The Letter Ayin

The Hebrew Letter Ayin.

www.hebrew4christians.com

 

[pinacled]

The point is to answer the question as to why evil is not God’s creation, yet God is still the Creator of all things.

Why should anyone answer the assumption you propose.

Are you blinded by Fire?

 

[pinacled]

Pretty sure you know what’s real and what’s not.
Jesus is real. Zeus is not.
Horses are real. Centaurs are not.

Do you consider the serpent a reality of evil?

Shabbat Shalom

 

[pinacled]

Yecheskel(Ezekiel 28
[Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.]

Though a tree/angel was created it became corrupted by its vanity.

Hence the ordinance to "abstain from an appearance of evil".
And the nakedness that adam and eve experienced.

Blessings Always

Shall I continue in explaining how the First shabbat love is Holy as Jacob loved rachael with a kiss.

Where as the generations of ch 2 brit reveal the struggle of a need for blessing
Through thorns and briars.

While traversing the terrain of Torah.
Faith sealed the flock to the shepherd with a single staff of inheritance.

What may seem to some as a pain in washing.
Friends know that the lord creates circumstances that seem like death to the eyes of some.
Yet in reality a fallen tree placed perfectly near water will grasp a staff for a shepherdess.
Genesis 50:20
Hebrews 5:15

And a little eagle will make her nest with such in a comforting manner.

With blessing the little eagle will share the same comfort given.

Blessings Always

 

[pinacled]

Shall I continue in explaining how the First shabbat love is Holy as Jacob loved rachael with a kiss.

Where as the generations of ch 2 brit reveal the struggle of a need for blessing
Through thorns and briars.

While traversing the terrain of Torah.
Faith sealed the flock to the shepherd with a single staff of inheritance.

What may seem to some as a pain in washing.
Friends know that the lord creates circumstances that seem like death to the eyes of some.
Yet in reality a fallen tree placed perfectly near water will grasp a staff for a shepherdess.
Genesis 50:20
Hebrews 5:15

And a little eagle will make her nest with such in a comforting manner.

With blessing the little eagle will share the same comfort given.

Blessings Always

Kiddush

 

[Andrew]

@pinacled
I just counted 9 posts that you had just made back to back, not only that but you quoted yourself several times which is unnecessary and rather repugnant to everyone trying to keep up with the conversation. Please try not to double post because it creates clutter, you may edit your post as many times as you wish and instead of quoting yourself just add what you want to the original post instead of creating other ones.
Thanks

 

[pinacled]

@pinacled
I just counted 9 posts that you had just made back to back, not only that but you quoted yourself several times which is unnecessary and rather repugnant to everyone trying to keep up with the conversation. Please try not to double post because it creates clutter, you may edit your post as many times as you wish and instead of quoting yourself just add what you want to the original post instead of creating other ones.
Thanks

I'm glad you're counting a spectacle of appreciation with confirmation.

I know that you and nathan are familiar

 

[Andrew]

I'm glad you're counting a spectacle of appreciation with confirmation.

I know that you and nathan are familiar

Lets stick to the subject.

You mentioned the serpent which God had made wise, wisdom was not forbidden, general knowledge wasn't forbidden, the tree of Life was not forbidden... but the serpent entity who inhabited the tree of knowledge of good and evil was prohibited from leaving it (stationed there after being banished from Heaven?) and being the "prince of the air" and "lord of flies" his mission was to bring forth death to mankind albeit indirectly, they would have to participate in the rebellion at will regardless of outside persuasion.

"you must not eat of any tree"?

The serpent carefully phrases this question to appear as tho he is genuinely interested, coming across as merely engaging in casual conversation yet seemingly perplexed and confused as to the details of Gods one command to Adam and Eve.. in actuality he is coordinating the dialogue between him and Eve because he expects her to correct him, which she does, so he can hit her with half truths to bedazzle her. He declared "Lies, you surely wont die, for God knows that once you eat of the fruit your eyes will be open and you will be like gods having the knowledge of good and evil"
That last part is true for the reason the tree of life becomes restricted is because "they have become like us" and also their eyes did open as they saw and hid their nakedness, but the lie was that they would not die, that God would potentially become jealous of Adam and Eve having the knowledge of Good and Evil... Eve could not resist temptation, it was the devils lies that compelled her take and give to her husband.

Thus the same devil that was cast out from Heaven to be bound to a tree was banished again from the tree unto the ground to crawl on its belly, the third will be the lake of fire.

God did not create evil, the angel willed himself to take on the thrown of God due to his pride and was repelled out of Heaven like a bolt of lightning to the earth, darkness cannot penetrate light and evil is the absence of the presence of God, not a creation of God

 

[NathanH83]

Lets stick to the subject.

You mentioned the serpent which God had made wise, wisdom was not forbidden, general knowledge wasn't forbidden, the tree of Life was not forbidden... but the serpent entity who inhabited the tree of knowledge of good and evil was prohibited from leaving it (stationed there after being banished from Heaven?) and being the "prince of the air" and "lord of flies" his mission was to bring forth death to mankind albeit indirectly, they would have to participate in the rebellion at will regardless of outside persuasion.

"you must not eat of any tree"?

The serpent carefully phrases this question to appear as tho he is genuinely interested, coming across as merely engaging in casual conversation yet seemingly perplexed and confused as to the details of Gods one command to Adam and Eve.. in actuality he is coordinating the dialogue between him and Eve because he expects her to correct him, which she does, so he can hit her with half truths to bedazzle her. He declared "Lies, you surely wont die, for God knows that once you eat of the fruit your eyes will be open and you will be like gods having the knowledge of good and evil"
That last part is true for the reason the tree of life becomes restricted is because "they have become like us" and also their eyes did open as they saw and hid their nakedness, but the lie was that they would not die, that God would potentially become jealous of Adam and Eve having the knowledge of Good and Evil... Eve could not resist temptation, it was the devils lies that compelled her take and give to her husband.

Thus the same devil that was cast out from Heaven to be bound to a tree was banished again from the tree unto the ground to crawl on its belly, the third will be the lake of fire.

God did not create evil, the angel willed himself to take on the thrown of God due to his pride and was repelled out of Heaven like a bolt of lightning to the earth, darkness cannot penetrate light and evil is the absence of the presence of God, not a creation of God

Exactly.
God created the serpent. God created the angel named Satan. But the serpent is not the definition of evil. Satan is not the definition of evil.

Moral evil is the absence of moral good:
Moral good has always existed, since God has always existed, since God is morally good. Thus moral good is an uncreated thing.

Moral evil is merely the absence of an uncreated thing.
And if God did not create the uncreated things, then how much more so did he not create the absence of them?

Thus, God did not create moral evil.
But he’s still the creator of all things.

 

[pinacled]

Lets stick to the subject.

You mentioned the serpent which God had made wise, wisdom was not forbidden, general knowledge wasn't forbidden, the tree of Life was not forbidden... but the serpent entity who inhabited the tree of knowledge of good and evil was prohibited from leaving it (stationed there after being banished from Heaven?) and being the "prince of the air" and "lord of flies" his mission was to bring forth death to mankind albeit indirectly, they would have to participate in the rebellion at will regardless of outside persuasion.

"you must not eat of any tree"?

The serpent carefully phrases this question to appear as tho he is genuinely interested, coming across as merely engaging in casual conversation yet seemingly perplexed and confused as to the details of Gods one command to Adam and Eve.. in actuality he is coordinating the dialogue between him and Eve because he expects her to correct him, which she does, so he can hit her with half truths to bedazzle her. He declared "Lies, you surely wont die, for God knows that once you eat of the fruit your eyes will be open and you will be like gods having the knowledge of good and evil"
That last part is true for the reason the tree of life becomes restricted is because "they have become like us" and also their eyes did open as they saw and hid their nakedness, but the lie was that they would not die, that God would potentially become jealous of Adam and Eve having the knowledge of Good and Evil... Eve could not resist temptation, it was the devils lies that compelled her take and give to her husband.

Thus the same devil that was cast out from Heaven to be bound to a tree was banished again from the tree unto the ground to crawl on its belly, the third will be the lake of fire.

God did not create evil, the angel willed himself to take on the thrown of God due to his pride and was repelled out of Heaven like a bolt of lightning to the earth, darkness cannot penetrate light and evil is the absence of the presence of God, not a creation of God

[ "You mentioned the serpent which God had made wise "]

I never mentioned anything of this sort.
Please refain from slander.

Blessings Always

 

[Andrew]

[ "You mentioned the serpent which God had made wise "]

I never mentioned anything of this sort.
Please refain from slander.

Blessings Always

Do you consider the serpent a reality of evil?

Shabbat Shalom

Again, you mentioned the serpent, I added that this serpent was "made" wise by God to reiterate that this is a created creature thinking this would help clarify YOUR point because you asked if the serpent was a reality of evil, I gave MY opinion even though the question was addressed to Nathan.

 

[pinacled]

Again, you mentioned the serpent, I added that this serpent was "made" wise by God to reiterate that this is a created creature thinking this would help clarify YOUR point because you asked if the serpent was a reality of evil, I gave MY opinion even though the question was addressed to Nathan.

The Most high called the nachash(serpent) a fiend and decietful which is opposite of wise.
So why are you claiming otherwise?

 

[Andrew]

The Most high called the nachash(serpent) a fiend and decietful which is opposite of wise.
So why are you claiming otherwise?

"Now the serpent was more deceitful than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made" ???

Read Mathew 10:16 ("WISE as serpents")

Btw the opposite of wise is stupid

"Now the serpent was more stupid than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made" ???

 

[NathanH83]

Do you consider the serpent a reality of evil?

Shabbat Shalom

God created the serpent. But the serpent is not the definition of evil. In fact, when God created the animals that creep on the ground, he said that it was good.

“And God made the beast of the earth according to its kind, cattle according to its kind, and everything that creeps on the earth according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.”
Genesis 1:25 - Bible Gateway passage: Genesis 1:25 - New King James Version

The serpent is actually a part of God’s good creation.

But moral evil is an absence of moral good. And moral good has existed as long as God has, and thus is uncreated, since God is uncreated. Thus, moral evil is not the existence of a created thing, but rather it is an absence of an uncreated thing.

 

[pinacled]

"Now the serpent was more deceitful than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made" ???

Read Mathew 10:16 ("WISE as serpents")

Btw the opposite of wise is stupid

"Now the serpent was more stupid than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made" ???

Exactly.
Cursed by The Most High for being arrogant.

 

[pinacled]

God created the serpent. But the serpent is not the definition of evil. In fact, when God created the animals that creep on the ground, he said that it was good.

“And God made the beast of the earth according to its kind, cattle according to its kind, and everything that creeps on the earth according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.”
Genesis 1:25 - Bible Gateway passage: Genesis 1:25 - New King James Version

The serpent is actually a part of God’s good creation.

But moral evil is an absence of moral good. And moral good has existed as long as God has, and thus is uncreated, since God is uncreated. Thus, moral evil is not the existence of a created thing, but rather it is an absence of an uncreated thing.

In retrospect yes the serpent and others in the same class are Good according to The Word.

But in the instance of a nachash mentioned as serpent in English there is failure to convey the distinction between the 2.
Nachash is something that fell from creation.
Where as serpents/snakes venomous or not that were created continue according to the Lords will and purpose.

Blessings Always

 

[Andrew]

In retrospect yes the serpent and others in the same class are Good according to The Word.

But in the instance of a nachash mentioned as serpent in English there is failure to convey the distinction between the 2.
Nachash is something that fell from creation.
Where as serpents/snakes venomous or not that were created continue according to the Lords will and purpose.

Blessings Always

In the midst of the Garden was the serpent high in the tree offering something to be desired by man, might be more symbology involved as later we find Satan once again elevated on a high place and again offering things desirable of man to tempt the new Adam (Christ) and once again by twisting Gods words around.

The angel was created by God and this "creature" was superior in intelligence than any other beast of the field that God had created, it could speak and apparently had a history with God, perhaps the angel was given an earthly form when banished from Heaven to the earth? Regardless it was not an average beast of the field, nor is it suggested that the serpent was created along side the beast only that it had superior intelligence when compared to them.

 

[pinacled]

In the midst of the Garden was the serpent high in the tree offering something to be desired by man, might be more symbology involved as later we find Satan once again elevated on a high place and again offering things desirable of man to tempt the new Adam (Christ) and once again by twisting Gods words around.

The angel was created by God and this "creature" was superior in intelligence than any other beast of the field that God had created, it could speak and apparently had a history with God, perhaps the angel was given an earthly form when banished from Heaven to the earth? Regardless it was not an average beast of the field, nor is it suggested that the serpent was created along side the beast only that it had superior intelligence when compared to them.

Distinct from the created beast, yes. Which is shown when the Lord sacrificed a beast to cover the man and woman.
Superior to man, no.
Remember that even the angels knowingly bow to Yeshua.

Blessed be The Holy One