Did God create everything that exists?

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Of course God wasn’t created. But he exists. So wouldn’t that be one thing that exists which God didn’t create?

Why does it matter to you? God has always existed and is uncreated. He is the Creator.
 

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Like for example, is there anything that exists that God didn’t create?

I guess a lot would depend on how you define the concept of creation.

There's a pile of wood scraps in my basement that God didn't create. Sure, God created the earth, created the trees, created the loggers who cut down the trees, created the sawmill owners who cut the trees into handy slices, and created me (the one who cut up the slices of wood and then made the pile from the scraps), but it's a stretch to argue that God sat in the heavens saying "let there be a pile of wood scraps in tango's basement".

If God creating object A that in turn created object B counts as God creating B then the dynamic is very different compared to the stance in which God can only be said to have created A.

Further to that, we could argue that if God created Adam and Eve and they collectively created Cain and Abel we would need to determine whether we could claim that God created Cain and Abel. And of course from there future generations are arguably created, or not created, by God depending on which way you want to swing on that issue.
 

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Why does it matter to you? God has always existed and is uncreated. He is the Creator.

Because everybody seems to think that God created everything that exists.
 

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Because everybody seems to think that God created everything that exists.

Everybody? Obviously not everybody since members here are saying that God has always existed.
 

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I guess a lot would depend on how you define the concept of creation.

There's a pile of wood scraps in my basement that God didn't create. Sure, God created the earth, created the trees, created the loggers who cut down the trees, created the sawmill owners who cut the trees into handy slices, and created me (the one who cut up the slices of wood and then made the pile from the scraps), but it's a stretch to argue that God sat in the heavens saying "let there be a pile of wood scraps in tango's basement".

If God creating object A that in turn created object B counts as God creating B then the dynamic is very different compared to the stance in which God can only be said to have created A.

Further to that, we could argue that if God created Adam and Eve and they collectively created Cain and Abel we would need to determine whether we could claim that God created Cain and Abel. And of course from there future generations are arguably created, or not created, by God depending on which way you want to swing on that issue.

I can think of a number of things that God didn’t create:

Love,
Joy,
Peace,
Patience,
Kindness,
Faithfulness,
Goodness,
Gentleness,
Self-control.

Also, mercy, grace, truth, generosity, holiness, righteousness, justice, etc.

God didn’t create any of these things.
 

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Now it seems you're saying God didn't create things that are attributes of himself?
 

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Now it seems you're saying God didn't create things that are attributes of himself?

He didn’t. They’ve existed as long as he has, haven’t they?
 

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He didn’t. They’ve existed as long as he has, haven’t they?

Arguably. I'm really struggling to see what point you're trying to make with your thread. Essentially it seems to be little more than a "gotcha" thread pointing out that God didn't create himself or attributes of himself.
 

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He didn’t. They’ve existed as long as he has, haven’t they?

I don't understand the point you're trying to make with this thread?
 

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I don't understand the point you're trying to make with this thread?

That there’s real things that exist in our world that God didn’t create.
 

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That there’s real things that exist in our world that God didn’t create.

Curious. Now you have to define what counts as "real".

If this thread is about anything other than semantic gymnastics I'm not seeing it.
 

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When a person believes he/she becomes a new creature endowed with love, grace etc.. does that count?
 

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Curious. Now you have to define what counts as "real".

If this thread is about anything other than semantic gymnastics I'm not seeing it.

God is real. His attributes are real. Love is real.
 

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God is real. His attributes are real. Love is real.

That doesn't define what "real" is. I guess this is the kind of thread I can ignore since I still don't see anything to suggest it's anything more than semantic gymnastics.
 

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And the point of that is?
Perhaps just a trick question as Tango suggest but It's actually more than just stating the obvious, God is Love thus Love is uncreated, so when God endows us with divine charity/Love we are actually that physical expression of God hence His works move through us
 

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And the point of that is?

The point is to answer the question as to why evil is not God’s creation, yet God is still the Creator of all things.
 

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That doesn't define what "real" is. I guess this is the kind of thread I can ignore since I still don't see anything to suggest it's anything more than semantic gymnastics.

Pretty sure you know what’s real and what’s not.
Jesus is real. Zeus is not.
Horses are real. Centaurs are not.
 

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Ah,
Are you referring to the Tree in the garden that was prohibited from adam and eve?

If so please explain why you think God called it good and evil?

Nathan of the garden
 

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Pretty sure you know what’s real and what’s not.
Jesus is real. Zeus is not.
Horses are real. Centaurs are not.
What about unicorns like single horned goats though?
 
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