What are the historical inaccuracies in the book of Judith?

[NathanH83]

How come nobody wants to answer this question?

 

[Andrew]

PERHAPS the point is: Why are we discussing the historicity of a book in THIS specific forum? We could discuss "To Kill a Mockingbird" (a very popular, award winning book) that contains a lot of history, accurate at that, indeed the entirety of the book is a comment on history. But is that specifically Christian Theology?

While I at times disagree with this poster, I think pinacle asked a valid question: Why is the historicity of some book a specific CHRISTIAN THEOLOGY issue? And I don't see what this has to do with the Eastern Orthodox churches.

I'm not a "forum nazi" (LOL) but when I saw the opening post, I had the exact same reaction as pinacle did: why is this specifically CHRISTIAN THEOLOGY? Not that that's a critical thing.... we're lax here at CH (and that's good).


Blessings to you in this holy Easter season....

That's not fair, biblical books may be discussed here, the EOC accepts these books as canon, why all the fuss?

 

[Andrew]

If this thread doesn't belong in Christian Theology then where does it belong? We don't have an "apocrypha" section of the forum!

 

[Josiah]

How come nobody wants to answer this question?

See posts 17 and 19


And I'll ask again.... yet again.... let's assume all the history of any given book is accurate. SO WHAT?

And, brother, there's a LOT of data of history contained in the Bible that cannot be confirmed as true. SO WHAT? Just because we can't find the birth certificate for Noah, does that ergo prove the Book of Genesis is not Scripture? Or because we CAN confirm a LOT of what's found in MILLIONS of books, does that prove ergo those books ARE Scripture? Brother, do you have a point?



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[Josiah]

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[NathanH83]

So, nobody here knows of any historical mistakes in the book of Judith?

 

[Josiah]

So, nobody here knows of any historical mistakes in the book of Judith?

Do you know of any historical mistakes in "Cat in the Hat?"



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[Andrew]

Do you know of any historical mistakes in "Cat in the Hat?"



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Not sure if Clement of Rome, a disciple of Paul the Apostle, preached a sermon on the "Cat in the Hat" to 1rst century Christians. In fact he never mentions any non biblical characters outside of Holy inspired writings.
Also no, its not the same as quoting from a good secular wise tale or a Christmas jingle, Clement used only biblical names in his writings.

 

[pinacled]

If this thread doesn't belong in Christian Theology then where does it belong? We don't have an "apocrypha" section of the forum!

Bible Study Forum" might be more appropriate.

 

[Andrew]

Bible Study Forum" might be more appropriate.

No debates are allowed in that forum so he cant ask questions there, this is apologetics and belongs in Christian Theology

 

[pinacled]

No debates are allowed in that forum so he cant ask questions there, this is apologetics and belongs in Christian Theology

Thankyou,
With the additional explaination I understand now.

 

[NathanH83]

Not sure if Clement of Rome, a disciple of Paul the Apostle, preached a sermon on the "Cat in the Hat" to 1rst century Christians. In fact he never mentions any non biblical characters outside of Holy inspired writings.
Also no, its not the same as quoting from a good secular wise tale or a Christmas jingle, Clement used only biblical names in his writings.

Don’t feed the troll

 

[pinacled]

Don’t feed the troll

No one is a troll here.
Apologetics is a rare conversation amongst us veterans to the forum.

So please focus on The Topic that you wish to discuss and abstain from (apearance of evil) insulting others.

I've not read Judith because after reading tobit and maccabees in the magna carta edition yrs ago I found no personal reason to.

As for Judith compared to history it is quite flawed according to scholars.
And based on its summary I concluded that it is a theatrical peice of literature similar to tobit and maccabees.
Ie "sourcerors lie about history"

Blessings Always

 

[pinacled]

I'll add that the book of judith isn't readily available for reading by most here.
So a discussion of its contents is difficult.
I wonder if this is the intentional purpose of the op.

 

[pinacled]

Not sure if Clement of Rome, a disciple of Paul the Apostle, preached a sermon on the "Cat in the Hat" to 1rst century Christians. In fact he never mentions any non biblical characters outside of Holy inspired writings.
Also no, its not the same as quoting from a good secular wise tale or a Christmas jingle, Clement used only biblical names in his writings.

Was the Clement mentioned in phillipians married?

 

[pinacled]

How come nobody wants to answer this question?

Was judith married?

 

[NathanH83]

No one is a troll here.
Apologetics is a rare conversation amongst us veterans to the forum.

So please focus on The Topic that you wish to discuss and abstain from (apearance of evil) insulting others.

I've not read Judith because after reading tobit and maccabees in the magna carta edition yrs ago I found no personal reason to.

As for Judith compared to history it is quite flawed according to scholars.
And based on its summary I concluded that it is a theatrical peice of literature similar to tobit and maccabees.
Ie "sourcerors lie about history"

Blessings Always

Focus on the Topic? Nobody here has shown me 1 single mistake in the book of Judith. YOU focus on the topic.

 

[NathanH83]

Was judith married?

She was. But she was a widow at the time the story takes place. How does this prove a historical mistake?

 

[NathanH83]

Was the Clement mentioned in phillipians married?

What’s that got to do with anything? Prove a historical mistake in the book of Judith.

 

[pinacled]

She was. But she was a widow at the time the story takes place. How does this prove a historical mistake?

The point is she(judith) had no husband as her (covering) head, nor salvation from above, nor The Most High condoning and directing her actions.
Where as clement mentioned in phillipians and deborah the judge both have spouses.

The account of judith is an atrocity against The Torah.

Do you understand?