Why doesn’t the book of Tobit meet the criteria for being included in the Bible?

[Andrew]

Through the Gift of The Holy Spirit.

Yes

Amen

Raphael means "God has healed", is it possible that God healed the sick in OT times using earthly substances? Ie Moses made an image of a serpent using the resources he had found in that area and it cured the Israelites who were bitten by snakes just by looking at it.

 

[Andrew]

Are you advocating that an Angel faked a miracle?

Which is it, was the cataract healed by normal medicine (not an act of God) or was it a miracle (an act of God)?
Where does Jesus use his perfect knowledge of herbal cures to fake a miracle?
Where in the OT are natural cures employed without God?

How can you not see how Tobit is different from scripture?

The Angel was disguised as a man, it doesn't make what happened a lie, Tobias was literally entertaining an angel unaware

 

[NathanH83]

Incorrect.

They were and are deceivers who seek to purchase the Holy Spirit.

Acts 8

Are doctors all witches and sorcerers for prescribing drugs? I mean, honestly, I don’t agree with the whole pharmaceutical industry. And I especially think it’s pretty sickening when they use snake venom to make certain drugs.

But are they ALL sorcerers? If someone seeks natural and wholesome means of healing their body, is that sorcery?

 

[pinacled]

Raphael means "God has healed", is it possible that God healed the sick in OT times using earthly substances? Ie Moses made an image of a serpent using the resources he had found in that area and it cured the Israelites who were bitten by snakes just by looking at it.

All things are possible with God.

Without God there is no healing.

Hence the reminder of the serpent on a pole that Moshe was instructed to show the murmuring unfaithful amongst the children of Yisrayl(israel).

Blessed be The Holy One

 

[pinacled]

Are doctors all witches and sorcerers for prescribing drugs? I mean, honestly, I don’t agree with the whole pharmaceutical industry. And I especially think it’s pretty sickening when they use snake venom to make certain drugs.

But are they ALL sorcerers? If someone seeks natural and wholesome means of healing their body, is that sorcery?

[ "And I especially think it’s pretty sickening when they use snake venom to make certain drugs."]

What do you mean by the above in brackets?

 

[atpollard]

The Angel was disguised as a man, it doesn't make what happened a lie, Tobias was literally entertaining an angel unaware

If a man or an Angel or a spirit or Bigfoot uses a medical cure and makes people think that it was the work of God ... then it IS a lie.

So one more time:
Was the cure taught by the Angel presented as “medical” (without God)?
Was the cure taught by the Angel presented as “a miracle” (with God)?

 

[pinacled]

Raphael means "God has healed", is it possible that God healed the sick in OT times using earthly substances? Ie Moses made an image of a serpent using the resources he had found in that area and it cured the Israelites who were bitten by snakes just by looking at it.

The Egyptian RA' fial is no angel

 

[pinacled]

The Angel was disguised as a man, it doesn't make what happened a lie, Tobias was literally entertaining an angel unaware

The lie is that Tobias and his future wife were the last of their tribe.

Do you understand

 

[pinacled]

The lie is that Tobias and his future wife were the last of their tribe.

Do you understand

Similar to the lie in the garden where Adam and Eve experienced a distance from the warmth of their creator and assumed leaves would cover a declined trust.

Shall a person trust in the Lord of Lights.
Or shall they suppose they are the last 2 on earth and entertain an angel that heals sight with fish guts?

 

[pinacled]

Similar to the lie in the garden where Adam and Eve experienced a distance from the warmth of their creator and assumed leaves would cover a declined trust.

Shall a person trust in the Lord of Lights.
Or shall they suppose they are the last 2 on earth and entertain an angel that heals sight with fish guts?

Your choice sir Nathan.
Fish guts or mud..
[ 3 “Neither this man nor his parents sinned,” said Jesus, “but this happened so that the works of God might be displayed in him. 4 As long as it is day, we must do the works of him who sent me. Night is coming, when no one can work. 5 While I am in the world, I am the light of the world.”

6 After saying this, he spit on the ground, made some mud with the saliva, and put it on the man’s eyes. 7 “Go,” he told him, “wash in the Pool of Siloam” (this word means “Sent”). So the man went and washed, and came home seeing.]

 

[NathanH83]

[ "And I especially think it’s pretty sickening when they use snake venom to make certain drugs."]

What do you mean by the above in brackets?

Captipril.
You’d be surprised if you look into some of the drugs they use.

 

[pinacled]

Captipril.
You’d be surprised if you look into some of the drugs they use.

Who is they?

 

[pinacled]

Captipril.
You’d be surprised if you look into some of the drugs they use.

Captopril?

 

[pinacled]

Captipril.
You’d be surprised if you look into some of the drugs they use.

Q;
Why deflect from the very topic you started?
Hemoglobin and neurogoblim science is based on experential science.

I'm from an area where the asp catipillar resides.
And its deadly venomous.
Have you ever heard of them?

 

[pinacled]

PERHAPS nothing. Doesn't need to be anything wrong. Nothing wrong with Cat in the Hat or Green Eggs and Ham. But just because you or I can't find something wrong with a book does not mean ERGO it is mandated that all Christians for the past 2000 years MUST accept it as canonical Scripture.



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Discernment is a form of charity..

 

[NathanH83]

Q;
Why deflect from the very topic you started?
Hemoglobin and neurogoblim science is based on experential science.

I'm from an area where the asp catipillar resides.
And its deadly venomous.
Have you ever heard of them?

Deflecting? I was just answering your question. When people use venom from unclean animals, then maybe you have a good point. Maybe some pharmaceutical stuff is sorcery. But there’s good plants and clean animals like fish that have healing properties, and I don’t think that’s witchcraft.

 

[Andrew]

If a man or an Angel or a spirit or Bigfoot uses a medical cure and makes people think that it was the work of God ... then it IS a lie.

So one more time:
Was the cure taught by the Angel presented as “medical” (without God)?
Was the cure taught by the Angel presented as “a miracle” (with God)?

I simply do not know, could be half and half, I do believe the demon ran because he knew that it was in reference to Christ to come, as for recovery of sight to Tobit it obviously does have medical backup to support it but as for instant recovery I would say that it was a miracle.