Why doesn’t the book of Tobit meet the criteria for being included in the Bible?

[NathanH83]

The numerical composition of 7 husbands mourned for 7 weeks similar to the weeks between pesach and shavuot are suspect.

Instead of The Ruach Hakodesh given, fish guts are the substitute for healing in the account of tobit.

Strange fire far as I can see.
Vayikra(leviticus) 10

How do you define a strange fire?
Does Leviticus promote a strange fire when it says to burn sheep organs?

 

[NathanH83]

A cultural hebrew example of witches is one who sleeps in cemeteries. "marking themselves for the dead".
Which should bring to mind the account of the person possesed by legion till Yeshua(Jesus) healed them.

No medicinal remedies were mentioned in the account of Yeshua healing the person afflicted.

The account of a supposed faithful woman to be afflicted by a demon is highly suspect of being a falsehood .
Especially concerning a demon killing husbands.
It's as if the author is saying that the marriage chamber was the grave/cemetery.

No where in TaNaKh is any such thing ever mentioned to have occurred.

Blessings Always

I don’t see how you’ve proven anything here. You say it’s suspect. How so? Just because you think it is? Or because something in the Bible undeniably proves that it is?

So a demon kills 7 husbands. That’s suspect? Why?

Is it suspect when a demon beat up the 7 sons of Sceva in the book of Acts?

What’s the contradiction?

 

[pinacled]

I don’t see how you’ve proven anything here. You say it’s suspect. How so? Just because you think it is? Or because something in the Bible undeniably proves that it is?

So a demon kills 7 husbands. That’s suspect? Why?

Is it suspect when a demon beat up the 7 sons of Sceva in the book of Acts?

What’s the contradiction?

7 sons of Sceva were beaten naked by a person possessed.
The errancy of a demon spirit beating or killing a person is quite obvious.
Don't you agree?

 

[NathanH83]

7 sons of Sceva were beaten naked by a person possessed.
The errancy of a demon spirit beating or killing a person is quite obvious.
Don't you agree?

Say what?

 

[pinacled]

Say what?

The man possessed caused physical harm where a spirit cannot.
Do you agree?

Acts 19
[ Then certain of the vagabond Jews, exorcists, took upon them to call over them which had evil spirits the name of the Lord Jesus, saying, We adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preacheth.

14 And there were seven sons of one Sceva, a Jew, and chief of the priests, which did so.

15 And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye?

16 And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, and overcame them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded.

17 And this was known to all the Jews and Greeks also dwelling at Ephesus; and fear fell on them all, and the name of the Lord Jesus was magnified.]

 

[pinacled]

Say what?

Acts chapter 19 also expounds on the actions of an unruly mob at a certain "greek" theater until civility is ordered by a clerk.

 

[pinacled]

Say what?

Have you considered that the 7 sons of skeva had forgotten the first Love found in Torah?

 

[NathanH83]

The man possessed caused physical harm where a spirit cannot.
Do you agree?

Acts 19
[ Then certain of the vagabond Jews, exorcists, took upon them to call over them which had evil spirits the name of the Lord Jesus, saying, We adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preacheth.

14 And there were seven sons of one Sceva, a Jew, and chief of the priests, which did so.

15 And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye?

16 And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, and overcame them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded.

17 And this was known to all the Jews and Greeks also dwelling at Ephesus; and fear fell on them all, and the name of the Lord Jesus was magnified.]

I’ve heard stories from missionaries where demons have caused physical harm. Is that really your best case against the book of Tobit?

 

[pinacled]

I’ve heard stories from missionaries where demons have caused physical harm. Is that really your best case against the book of Tobit?

Hearsay from yourself about missionaries is a sandy foundation to build on.

Following the Truth with evidence is the course I chose to take in this thread.

Evil spirits only influence a physical host to cause harm, according to scripture. With the exception being the account given by the widow of naftali .
Whose 7 husbands were allegedly murdered by an apparition.
Which is very suspect and contrary to Torah.

Strange fire is a serious offense. And is likened to incense offered by tobias on the wedding evening.
א וַיִּקְחוּ בְנֵי-אַהֲרֹן נָדָב וַאֲבִיהוּא אִישׁ מַחְתָּתוֹ, וַיִּתְּנוּ בָהֵן אֵשׁ, וַיָּשִׂימוּ עָלֶיהָ, קְטֹרֶת; וַיַּקְרִיבוּ לִפְנֵי יְהוָה, אֵשׁ זָרָה--אֲשֶׁר לֹא צִוָּה, אֹתָם.

1 And Nadab and Abihu, the sons of Aaron, took each of them his censer, and put fire therein, and laid incense thereon, and offered strange fire before the LORD, which He had not commanded them.ב וַתֵּצֵא אֵשׁ מִלִּפְנֵי יְהוָה, וַתֹּאכַל אוֹתָם; וַיָּמֻתוּ, לִפְנֵי יְהוָה.

2 And there came forth fire from before the LORD, and devoured them, and they died before the LORD.

 

[pinacled]

Are you prepared to inspect further?
Little nun

 

[NathanH83]

Hearsay from yourself about missionaries is a sandy foundation to build on.

Following the Truth with evidence is the course I chose to take in this thread.

Evil spirits only influence a physical host to cause harm, according to scripture. With the exception being the account given by the widow of naftali .
Whose 7 husbands were allegedly murdered by an apparition.
Which is very suspect and contrary to Torah.

Strange fire is a serious offense. And is likened to incense offered by tobias on the wedding evening.
א וַיִּקְחוּ בְנֵי-אַהֲרֹן נָדָב וַאֲבִיהוּא אִישׁ מַחְתָּתוֹ, וַיִּתְּנוּ בָהֵן אֵשׁ, וַיָּשִׂימוּ עָלֶיהָ, קְטֹרֶת; וַיַּקְרִיבוּ לִפְנֵי יְהוָה, אֵשׁ זָרָה--אֲשֶׁר לֹא צִוָּה, אֹתָם.

1 And Nadab and Abihu, the sons of Aaron, took each of them his censer, and put fire therein, and laid incense thereon, and offered strange fire before the LORD, which He had not commanded them.ב וַתֵּצֵא אֵשׁ מִלִּפְנֵי יְהוָה, וַתֹּאכַל אוֹתָם; וַיָּמֻתוּ, לִפְנֵי יְהוָה.

2 And there came forth fire from before the LORD, and devoured them, and they died before the LORD.

You made the claim that an evil spirit is incapable of inflicting harm on someone, or killing them as Tobit says. But you provided no scriptural evidence to back up your claim.

Is that really your best evidence against the book of Tobit?

Have you never read the book of Job? Look at all the afflictions places upon Job. Satan could have even killed him if God didn’t specifically prohibit it.

And why is burning fish guts a strange fire? Where is that written? The book of Leviticus says to burn sheep guts. That’s perfectly fine. Why is burning fish guts suddenly a strange fire? Where are you getting these ideas?

 

[atpollard]

I was asking if you were talking about when he smeared fish guts on his fathers eyes. Is that witchcraft? Or is it just warding off the spirit with the smoke?

Tobit presents both as equal. So either BOTH are witchcraft, or MEN have the power to perform miracles without God.

 

[NathanH83]

Tobit presents both as equal. So either BOTH are witchcraft, or MEN have the power to perform miracles without God.

So do you believe that the scientists who created Lanomax are witches?

 

[pinacled]

You made the claim that an evil spirit is incapable of inflicting harm on someone, or killing them as Tobit says. But you provided no scriptural evidence to back up your claim.

Is that really your best evidence against the book of Tobit?

Have you never read the book of Job? Look at all the afflictions places upon Job. Satan could have even killed him if God didn’t specifically prohibit it.

And why is burning fish guts a strange fire? Where is that written? The book of Leviticus says to burn sheep guts. That’s perfectly fine. Why is burning fish guts suddenly a strange fire? Where are you getting these ideas?

I've read the account of iyov and know the name of his adversary.

Do you?

 

[atpollard]

So do you believe that the scientists who created Lanomax are witches?

Him who has ears, let him hear what the spirit says.
I cannot make you understand.

 

[NathanH83]

Him who has ears, let him hear what the spirit says.
I cannot make you understand.

Understand what? I’m just asking what your opinion is.

Lanomax is an eye drop that dissolves cataracts. The main ingredient is Lenosterol. Lenosterol comes from Squalene, which is derived from shark liver oil (the guts of a fish).

So do you believe that the scientists who created Lanomax are witches?

 

[Josiah]

LOTS of amazing, incredible diversions....

Where, pray tell, is the proof that if a book was written in Hebrew or Aramaic, ERGO it MUST be the inerrant, divinely-inspired, canonical, inscripturated Words of God and thus all people of faith who have not officially/formally affirmed such are to be condemned and ridiculed?

Where, pray tell, is the proof that if a book contains no errors in the personal, individual, current opinion of a person, ERGO it MUST be the inerrant, divinely-inspired, canonical, inscripturated Words of God and thus all people of faith who have not officially/formally affirmed such are to be condemned and ridiculed?

Where, pray tell, is the proof that if a book contains accurate history, ERGO it MUST be the inerrant, divinely-inspired, canonical, inscripturated Words of God and thus all people of faith who have not officially/formally affirmed such are to be condemned and ridiculed?

Where, pray tell, is the proof that if something suggests some future thing that indeed comes to pass (such as Star Trek's "communicators" became cell phones) , ERGO such MUST be the inerrant, divinely-inspired, canonical, inscripturated Words of God and thus all people of faith who have not officially/formally affirmed such are to be condemned and ridiculed?

Where, pray tell, is the proof that if a book was ever translated from one language to another, ERGO it MUST be the inerrant, divinely-inspired, canonical, inscripturated Words of God and thus all people of faith who have not officially/formally affirmed such are to be condemned and ridiculed?

Where, pray tell, is the proof that if a book is read by some Jews or Christians or Mormons, ERGO it MUST be the inerrant, divinely-inspired, canonical, inscripturated Words of God and thus all people of faith who have not officially/formally affirmed such are to be condemned and ridiculed?




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[pinacled]

Understand what? I’m just asking what your opinion is.

Lanomax is an eye drop that dissolves cataracts. The main ingredient is Lenosterol. Lenosterol comes from Squalene, which is derived from shark liver oil (the guts of a fish).

So do you believe that the scientists who created Lanomax are witches?

I very much doubt that modern chemist are using shark oil in there alleged medicinal products.
They likely synthesize instead.

Squalene - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Excerpt:
[ It was originally obtained from shark liver oil (hence its name, as Squalus is a genus of sharks). All plants and animals produce squalene as a biochemical intermediate.[4] An estimated 12% of bodily squalene in humans comes from the sebum,[5] squalene has a role in topical skin lubrication and protection.]

 

[pinacled]

Understand what? I’m just asking what your opinion is.

Lanomax is an eye drop that dissolves cataracts. The main ingredient is Lenosterol. Lenosterol comes from Squalene, which is derived from shark liver oil (the guts of a fish).

So do you believe that the scientists who created Lanomax are witches?

There is difference between the waters and the inhabitants of fish. Ie of the Tigris river.
A river denotes fresh(sweet) water opposite of salt(bitter) water.

A shark that abides in bitter water having its bitter liver oil used as a medicinal remedy is suspiciously familiar to witchcraft far as I can see.

Read the scripture and listen in spirit.

Genesis 1:7
Isaiah 5:20

Blessings Always

 

[pinacled]

The first inconsistency can be found in ch1 vs2

[ which is called properly Nephthali in Galilee above Aser.]

According to the prophet yechezchel(ezekiel) asher is above naphtali geographically.

Then for a child of one of the 12s tribe to face east from gallilee to find a wife near the river Tigris is also suspect according to The Word given to the prophet yechezkel.
Why, "face east"?
When Torah amends that sons that are poor will always remain in The Promisised Land.
Mathew 26:11
Ezekiel 8:16

Blessed be The Holy One