Did the very first Christians have the apocrypha in their Bible?

[NathanH83]

Like, for example, do you think there’s a possibility that someone who knew Paul personally, who Paul mentioned by name in the New Testament, might have actually quoted an apocryphal books as scripture, like say the book of Judith for example?

 

[pinacled]

Like, for example, do you think there’s a possibility that someone who knew Paul personally, who Paul mentioned by name in the New Testament, might have actually quoted an apocryphal books as scripture, like say the book of Judith for example?

Technically there were no books until much later on in history; 1450 AD

Book - Wikipedia

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The Nevi'im(Prophets)and Ketuvim(Writings) were recorded individually in scrolls.
Where as the Torah is a single scroll.
Luke 4 17-21

What is common era named as apocrypha would likely of been expounded works called a midrash.

 

[pinacled]

Like, for example, do you think there’s a possibility that someone who knew Paul personally, who Paul mentioned by name in the New Testament, might have actually quoted an apocryphal books as scripture, like say the book of Judith for example?

Do you have any examples of judith that are cited in the new testament?

 

[Andrew]

Do you have any examples of judith that are cited in the new testament?

Are all of the OT books cited in the NT?

 

[pinacled]

Are all of the OT books cited in the NT?

Yes

 

[NathanH83]

Yes

Where is Esther cited in the New Testament?

 

[NathanH83]

Do you have any examples of judith that are cited in the new testament?

You misheard me.
I said what if a disciple of Paul quoted Judith as scripture? A disciple who Paul mentioned in the New Testament?

 

[pinacled]

You misheard me.
I said what if a disciple of Paul quoted Judith as scripture? A disciple who Paul mentioned in the New Testament?

So instead of inference your que is a hypothetical?

 

[pinacled]

John 5:39
Are all of the OT books cited in the NT?

["You keep examining the Tanakh because you think that in it you have eternal life. Those very Scriptures bear witness to me,___"]

 

[kiwimac]

Certainly the 'Assumption of Moses' is mentioned in Jude; as well he seems to be quoting from the Book of Enoch.

The letter of Jude was one of the disputed books of the biblical canon.[1] The links between the Epistle and 2 Peter, its use of the biblical apocrypha, and its brevity raised concern.

Jude quotes directly from the Book of Enoch, part of the scripture of the Ethiopian and Eritrean churches but rejected by other churches. He cites Enoch's prophecy that the Lord would come with many thousands of his saints to render judgment on the whole world. He also paraphrases (verse 9) an incident in a text that has been lost about Satan and Michael the Archangel quarreling over the body of Moses.

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[atpollard]

Like, for example, do you think there’s a possibility that someone who knew Paul personally, who Paul mentioned by name in the New Testament, might have actually quoted an apocryphal books as scripture, like say the book of Judith for example?

I suspect they were heavily quoted by the Gnostics and the judaisers ... who probably also quoted from many rejected books like the Gospels of Thomas and Judas and Phillip and Mary. The trick is to accept as scripture only those books that do not contradict previously revealed inspired scripture. Thus the rejection of many books as uninspired Gnostic garbage (like Jesus secret marriage) and the collecting of other books as historically useful, but not inspired (the Apocrypha).

 

[pinacled]

Certainly the 'Assumption of Moses' is mentioned in Jude; as well he seems to be quoting from the Book of Enoch.





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There is no book of Enoch mentioned by yair(jude).
Only a mention of Enoch.
To which there are two from the lineage of Adam.
One being hot and one being cold.

Which one are you?

 

[pinacled]

Certainly the 'Assumption of Moses' is mentioned in Jude; as well he seems to be quoting from the Book of Enoch.





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I love your style and taste and meaty green strawberry.
But be care full of the enemies distractions of sight toward unfruitfulness.

Blessings Always

 

[Origen]

The book of 1st Clement doesn't actually quote the book of Judith and it certainly never called it Scripture. First Clement references the person Judith as an example of heroism but the book itself is not directly quoted.

The book of 1st Clement uses the standard formula for citing Scripture (i.e. "it is written"). This formula is used nine time 1st Clement but it formula is not used with the book of Judith.

 

[hedrick]

It’s reasonable to believe that many Christians in Paul’s time used the Septuagint, which has the DC books. I think today’s arguments are constructed to support traditions that originated for different reasons. As the early church became more Greek than Jewish they naurally used the Septuagint. That canon came along with it. During the Reformation the motto was ad fontes (back to the sources), so they went to the Hebrew, with its canon.

 

[RichWh1]

The Book of Enoch is mentioned in the New Testament


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[pinacled]

The Book of Enoch is mentioned in the New Testament


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Where?

 

[pinacled]

The Book of Enoch is mentioned in the New Testament


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There are 2 enoch's
from the lineage of adamah(Adam).

From Enoch a lineage a-rised .
And gave testimony ..

 

[Origen]

There are 2 enoch's
from the lineage of adamah (Adam).

Two question please:

What is your point regarding the 2 Enochs?

Do you believe "adamah" is Adam's name?

 

[pinacled]

Two question please:

What is your point regarding the 2 Enochs?

Do you believe "adamah" is Adam's name?

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