What if we're wrong about our beliefs?

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If your faith is strong enough as to not leave any room for doubt, this topic is not for you. Please move on and pray for the rest of us.

If your faith isn't strong enough as to reject the question "what if we're wrong about our beliefs?", you're invited to answer how often and how intense your struggles with doubt are, and how you handle the feeling that there's a possibility that we, Christians, might be wrong about our beliefs.

Atheist writer Richard Dawkins was asked what he would do if he found out that his lack of belief was wrong and he were to meet God in the afterlife. His reply is in an interview somewhere on YouTube. Now, let me ask you a similar question: what would you do if, in the afterlife, you were to find out that our beliefs were wrong because of satan's trickery or for whatever other reason, and that eternal punishment awaits us due to having lived according to a wrong set of beliefs?

Considering the lack of applicability of Jesus' promises in everyday life, as well as my poor health, I don't know how to cope with the possibility that I might be following the wrong path.
 
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Some thoughts....


1. While I'd agree that the Bible uses the terms "faith" and "belief" interchangably, many of us make a distinction: There is what we hold true IN OUR BRAIN.... (often call belief) and what we TRUST in our heart and lives (often called faith). In all matters, these may not "jibe." I married my beloved - a leap of faith if you will - even though my brain had no PROOF she was THE ONE (out of 3.7 billion females). I enjoyed a hamburger for lunch yesterday but my brain had no clue as to whether it was safe to eat. There are MANY (most!) things in Christianity that my considerable brain (lol) does NOT understand or even agree with - but I trust, I treasure.


2. Okay.... it's POSSIBLE that all there is is physics and this world. It's a horrible thought (Side point: In my youth, I would ask atheists and agnostics, "how's that working for you?"}. Okay. So.... I had love, comfort, peace, strength in my life. I knew perfect love and felt forgiveness. I learned to love and forgive others. I sang in a church choir and learned about music and came to love it. I came into a wonderful fellowship of friends who loved and cared for me. All my life. How is that terrible?




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I look at it this way. If Christ is an ALL-sufficient Savior (which He is) then I can have assurance of salvation because I have placed my faith (belief, trust, reliance) exclusively in Him for salvation. (John 3:15,16,18; Acts 10:43; 16:31; Romans 1:16; 3:24-28; 4:5-6; 5:1 etc..)
 

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What if we're wrong about our beliefs?


Well; I'd be very happy if it turns out that there is no such a thing as perpetual
suffering in an afterlife because the thought of even one my loved ones ending up
there is almost too unbearable to contemplate.

The supernatural elements of Christianity cannot be proven true beyond a shadow
of sensible doubt due to a lack of sufficient empirical evidence.

It's probably not a good idea for Christians to get into heated debates over whether
their religion is true-- an educated Christian can probably prove that some of
Christianity's historical elements are true, but certainly not its supernatural
elements.

Unfortunately, numbers of Christians become very defensive and reactive when
their beliefs are challenged instead of remaining objective and sensible. For
example: I once stated to a Catholic man that Jesus wasn't a Christian. The man
became so angry with me that he actually began baring his teeth while we spoke;
like a snarling animal.
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What if we're wrong about our beliefs?

This is actually quite closely related to a topic I'm planning on preaching on in a few months time. My focus is going to be more on addressing doubts, including doubts that potentially shake our faith to its core.

A key question to ask is what you believe and also why you believe it. If the only reason you believe it is some variation of "Mummy told me" then take a step back and consider whether you really believe it at all. That comment isn't meant to be disrespectful of you as a person, merely to note that if the only reason you believe something is because someone else told you then the foundation may not be as solid as it should be and your beliefs are down to little more than the credibility of this person over that person.

In science a standard approach is to form a hypothesis and then test the hypothesis through tests and observations. To take a simple example we can observe that if you let go of something it falls to the ground. Whether the object you drop is a priceless vase, a tennis ball, a shoe, a bowl of freshly cooked soup, it falls to the ground. The effects of hitting the ground are more or less spectacular but everything falls. At the most basic level we can observe "things drop" and leave it at that. Or we can dig further and further into things and end up with things like a formula for gravitational attraction. However far we dig we have something we can say is true. "Things drop" is simplistic but true. The actual formula (which looks ugly when listed as text) isn't more true, just more detailed. Both can be tested and shown to be true.

Right now I'm sitting in my recliner and I can see the floor across the living room into the dining room. I know the floor will take my weight because I've walked across it many times. When I visit a friend's house for the first time I can have faith that the floor will support me because of things like building codes. It's safe to assume the floor will support me unless I see something that makes me doubt. If the floor looks like it's been eaten by woodworm I'll walk more gingerly. If instead of a floor there are just a few sheets of loose wood resting on joists I know that the edges won't support me - the boards will flip up and I'll fall. If we want to get technical we can argue that I don't know the floor will take my weight but I can have faith that it will, based on other things I know (building codes, the fact my friends presumably didn't levitate across the floor to open the door, trust in my friends not to lead me into a trap and so on).

Where faith in God is concerned the scientific approach only goes so far because there is no practical way of measuring whether God exists. Here we come down to experience of God being faithful, and a means of processing whether enough of Scripture is true (whether literally or metaphorically) that we can trust what it says. For me personally, I struggle with the atheistic concept of where everything came from. We can trace human lineage back through the generations and, if we accept unguided evolution, we end up with some kind of single-celled creature. Evolution can't explain where that came from so it passes the buck to abiogenesis, which attempts to explain how something that wasn't alive managed to come alive. There's a fuzzy bit along the way that seems to kinda-sorta bridge the two because that first living thing would need to work out how to reproduce before it died, or the whole process fails and has to start over. And then abiogenesis still has to explain how the non-living stuff got there in the first place. Personally I find the idea of some kind of eternal being - a deity if you will - that was always there and will always be there a far more believable concept than a point of singularity whereby nothing collided with nothing and exploded for no reason and then came alive and evolved.

As to what happens if we're wrong, we potentially face that dilemma whatever we choose to believe. It turns into a variation of Pascal's wager - on the face of it Pascal's wager is a no-brainer because the options it presents are so binary. If it's as simple as "believe in God" or "don't believe in God" it's easy. But if we believe in God and it turns out we should have believed in Allah, Krishna, Vishnu, Dagon or some other deity we're no further forward. From there we need to consider the merits of other faiths.

Personal experience is the kind of thing that can be a huge help in affirming what we believe but often ends up being of limited value in trying to convince someone else of what we believe. If I see a unicorn prancing in my back yard the chances are I'll believe in unicorns. If you have never seen a unicorn the chances are you won't believe in unicorns but "you cannot have done" isn't a useful counter to someone's claim of a personal experience. If something sounds outlandish you might ask for clarification - in the example of the unicorn you might ask how close I was, what the lighting was and the like. Ultimately your decision whether to believe me or not will probably come down to whether you consider me credible, whether you believe I have anything to gain my lying, what the chances are that I was merely mistaken and so on.
 

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If your faith is strong enough as to not leave any room for doubt, this topic is not for you. Please move on and pray for the rest of us.

If your faith isn't strong enough as to reject the question "what if we're wrong about our beliefs?", you're invited to answer how often and how intense your struggles with doubt are, and how you handle the feeling that there's a possibility that we, Christians, might be wrong about our beliefs.

Atheist writer Richard Dawkins was asked what he would do if he found out that his lack of belief was wrong and he were to meet God in the afterlife. His reply is in an interview somewhere on YouTube. Now, let me ask you a similar question: what would you do if, in the afterlife, you were to find out that our beliefs were wrong because of satan's trickery or for whatever other reason, and that eternal punishment awaits us due to having lived according to a wrong set of beliefs?

Considering the lack of applicability of Jesus' promises in everyday life, as well as my poor health, I don't know how to cope with the possibility that I might be following the wrong path.

Are you sure you're looking for honest answers? I ask because you're last statement seems to indicate this thread belongs in a Christian-only self help section or something.

I grew up in a Christian household, brought to church regularly on Sundays, later went on my own, had Christian friends, including pastors and married a Christian woman.

I now identify as a Deist who has rejected several common Christian beliefs while retaining others. I don't have a problem with doubting certain texts just like I don't have a problem doubting other communications that do not match. For example, if John tells me he was at point A on a specific date, then later tells me he was at point B, halfway across the world on the same date at the same time, then I know John is lying about one or the other and possibly both. My doubt is intellectually justified with regards to his testimony about where he was and when. With regard to (some) biblical passages, I am comfortable applying similar conclusions when it is warranted, whereas before I would probably lean towards some reaching apologetics to reconcile the conflict - which often still left doubt, because it was only halfway convincing. The latter thinking is what many people apply because "honest" doubt is seen as a failing, esp in Christian social contexts.
 

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Most people, are simply not willing to contemplate that they are wrong about their religious beliefs under any circumstances. Just as sadly the same applies to their political beliefs.
 

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Most people, are simply not willing to contemplate that they are wrong about their religious beliefs under any circumstances. Just as sadly the same applies to their political beliefs.

I suspect the ever-declining standard of what passes as "conversation" in so many areas is partly responsible for this. Mocking those who "believe in sky fairies" is unlikely to change their minds. Likewise in the political arena it's hard to see slinging insults as being particularly effective at changing anyone's mind.
 

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What if we're wrong about our beliefs?​

  1. [1 Corinthians 15:12-19 NASB] 12 Now if Christ is preached, that He has been raised from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13 But if there is no resurrection of the dead, not even Christ has been raised; 14 and if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is vain, your faith also is vain. 15 Moreover we are even found [to be] false witnesses of God, because we testified against God that He raised Christ, whom He did not raise, if in fact the dead are not raised. 16 For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised; 17 and if Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless; you are still in your sins. 18 Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. 19 If we have hoped in Christ in this life only, we are of all men most to be pitied.
  2. Then we die and become worm food.
... but what if we are right? 😇🥳😍
 

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Considering the lack of applicability of Jesus' promises in everyday life, as well as my poor health, I don't know how to cope with the possibility that I might be following the wrong path.
This is the opposite of my experience. I would serve Christ even if there was no afterlife because of the benefits in this life WITH Christ compared to living this life WITHOUT God. I have found limitless daily applicability (I just don’t always DO what I know I SHOULD.)
 

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  1. Then we die and become worm food.
Not really, no. That's a false dichotomy. There is more than atheism and Christianity in this world.

... but what if we are right? 😇🥳😍
Well, if we are, then I'm probably doing something very wrong because, despite my two and a half year period of seeking God through almost daily prayer, frequent Bible reading, watching sermons, reading Christian books and striving to abstain from sin, I am still unable to understand even the basics of Christian doctrine or agree with it, to have love for and faith in God, to desire to serve Him, to experience whatever emotions all those people who fully love and trust God and Jesus to the point that they lay down their lives for Him (Them?) experience.

My past year and a half seems like a failed attempt of self-indoctrination sprinkled with a few "mystical" moments of spiritual peace and closeness to God, here and there, that happened for a day or two. But once my health began to seriously decline, I turned into what Jesus describes as the seed that fell on the rocky ground. I disagree with His ways of allowing us to suffer, I don't understand why He had to die, and I don't feel any desire to obey Him anymore. I feel spiritually against Him and prayer doesn't help. I've told this to Him in prayer and asked Him to change me, something that has yet to happen, which, in turn increased my skepticism and started driving me towards agnosticism and deism more and more. I even told Him that, if He doesn't do anything about my current situation, I might apostatize. So far, He seems to be taking His time, as my health problems continue to increase inversely proportional to my allegiance to God. To be completely honest, I don't even want Him to be real if that means that I'm going to Hell. His entire plan makes no sense to me and, according to 1 Corinthians 1:18, that means that I am perishing. I care more about my earthly life than about Him and, according to John 12:15, that means that I will lose it, and I hate that, and I have no idea how to change my will in order to align it with His.
 

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Not really, no. That's a false dichotomy. There is more than atheism and Christianity in this world.

True - if it transpires that, say, the Muslims are right and we are condemned for failing to acknowledge Mohammed the situation becomes a whole lot more dire than simply becoming unconscious worm food. At some point the question boils down to what it takes to believe something. Nothing we believe in around us comes with a 100% guarantee. During all the COVID silliness people have commented things like "would you really risk your life and the lives of others to (get a haircut/eat at a restaurant/go shopping/whatever activity they wish you wouldn't do)". But we did that before COVID - if you drive to get a haircut you are risking your life and the lives of others. Likewise if you go to the restaurant, go shopping, or whatever else you were planning on doing that required transport other than walking. People just don't think about the risks they face in everyday life.


Well, if we are, then I'm probably doing something very wrong because, despite my two and a half year period of seeking God through almost daily prayer, frequent Bible reading, watching sermons, reading Christian books and striving to abstain from sin, I am still unable to understand even the basics of Christian doctrine or agree with it, to have love for and faith in God, to desire to serve Him, to experience whatever emotions all those people who fully love and trust God and Jesus to the point that they lay down their lives for Him (Them?) experience.

What sort of emotions are you expecting to experience? Are you seeking transient emotional experiences or something more meaningful? In my younger years I attended a lot of outreach events where the procedure was the same - an hour or so of "worship" (aka repetitive upbeat music to get you into a good mood) followed by a message that focused very much on "what's in this for me?". Then came the inevitable altar call that didn't stop until enough people had gone forward, which invariably resulted in what appeared to be a spiritual crash on Monday morning as reality collided with the weekend's indoctrination. The whole thing is a crock - the upbeat music produces a sense of euphoria much like being in a gig, but which is then presented as evidence that "God's spirit is here". The altar call is a classic exercise in peer pressure and needless to say nobody could be bothered with anything like following up on the people who went forward. You can probably tell the contempt I hold for such things now, if anything I refer to them with terms like "Jesus serum" - if you inoculate people when they are young you can make it much less likely they will catch the real thing when they are older.

My past year and a half seems like a failed attempt of self-indoctrination sprinkled with a few "mystical" moments of spiritual peace and closeness to God, here and there, that happened for a day or two. But once my health began to seriously decline, I turned into what Jesus describes as the seed that fell on the rocky ground. I disagree with His ways of allowing us to suffer, I don't understand why He had to die, and I don't feel any desire to obey Him anymore. I feel spiritually against Him and prayer doesn't help. I've told this to Him in prayer and asked Him to change me, something that has yet to happen, which, in turn increased my skepticism and started driving me towards agnosticism and deism more and more. I even told Him that, if He doesn't do anything about my current situation, I might apostatize. So far, He seems to be taking His time, as my health problems continue to increase inversely proportional to my allegiance to God. To be completely honest, I don't even want Him to be real if that means that I'm going to Hell. His entire plan makes no sense to me and, according to 1 Corinthians 1:18, that means that I am perishing. I care more about my earthly life than about Him and, according to John 12:15, that means that I will lose it, and I hate that, and I have no idea how to change my will in order to align it with His.

If we accept that God is in charge then we don't have to approve of what he does. When I'm making things out of wood in my basement I get to decide whether a piece of wood is what I want, I get to decide what size and shape I want it to be and I get to put it through whichever saw seems appropriate to make it happen. If I start with a piece of wood that's uneven in width, longer than I need and has rough surfaces it goes through a jointer to cut away the roughness. That rips off the outer all along one surface. Then it goes through a planer to smooth the other surface. It will go through a table saw to make it a nice uniform width, and then the miter saw to cut it to the length I want. The piece of wood gets no say in the process - it doesn't choose whether it gets selected for the project or what is cut away and how to make it fit.

Of course the wood has no capacity to choose so the comparison isn't 100% relevant but it gives you an idea. If we are acknowledging God as our creator and following God, we have to accept that God gets to decide what parts of us he changes and how. The primary difference between us and the wood, in this example, is that God gives us the option to follow. If we agree to follow God under certain conditions then we aren't following God, we are expecting God to follow us. It doesn't work that way.

Health issues are always taxing and often turn into the sort of thing where it's easy to say what you should do when you don't have to actually do it yourself. They don't have to draw us away from God, if we accept that God ultimately calls the shots. I guy I loosely know has every reason to be angry at God - I won't go into too much detail because I don't want to identify him but he went from being a very fit and active guy until he suffered a freak sporting accident when he was 32. Details aren't relevant here but suffice to say he wasn't expected to live at all. He did live although how he survived is a mystery. He no longer has any use of his legs and retains very limited use of one arm. That's not the sort of thing that features in anyone's life plan and probably doesn't show up in very many "what if" plans either. As you can imagine there are all sorts of things he used to love doing that he's not physically capable of doing any more, so he focuses on what he can do.

Honestly, I don't know how I would respond if that were me. I can say that this guy's faith is an inspiration.
 

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Are you sure you're looking for honest answers? I ask because you're last statement seems to indicate this thread belongs in a Christian-only self help section or something.

I grew up in a Christian household, brought to church regularly on Sundays, later went on my own, had Christian friends, including pastors and married a Christian woman.

I now identify as a Deist who has rejected several common Christian beliefs while retaining others. I don't have a problem with doubting certain texts just like I don't have a problem doubting other communications that do not match. For example, if John tells me he was at point A on a specific date, then later tells me he was at point B, halfway across the world on the same date at the same time, then I know John is lying about one or the other and possibly both. My doubt is intellectually justified with regards to his testimony about where he was and when. With regard to (some) biblical passages, I am comfortable applying similar conclusions when it is warranted, whereas before I would probably lean towards some reaching apologetics to reconcile the conflict - which often still left doubt, because it was only halfway convincing. The latter thinking is what many people apply because "honest" doubt is seen as a failing, esp in Christian social contexts.
John?

[ For example, if John tells me he was at point A on a specific date, then later tells me he was at point B, halfway across the world on the same date at the same time, then I know John is lying about one or the other and possibly both. My doubt is intellectually justified with regards to his testimony about where he was and when. With regard to (some) biblical passages, I am comfortable applying similar conclusions when it is warranted, whereas before I would probably lean towards some reaching apologetics to reconcile the conflict - which often still left doubt, because it was only halfway convincing.]

The above in brackets sounds closer to a hypothetical instead of reasoned evidence.
Have you any veracity for doubt concerning scriptures?

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If your faith is strong enough as to not leave any room for doubt, this topic is not for you. Please move on and pray for the rest of us.

If your faith isn't strong enough as to reject the question "what if we're wrong about our beliefs?", you're invited to answer how often and how intense your struggles with doubt are, and how you handle the feeling that there's a possibility that we, Christians, might be wrong about our beliefs.

Atheist writer Richard Dawkins was asked what he would do if he found out that his lack of belief was wrong and he were to meet God in the afterlife. His reply is in an interview somewhere on YouTube. Now, let me ask you a similar question: what would you do if, in the afterlife, you were to find out that our beliefs were wrong because of satan's trickery or for whatever other reason, and that eternal punishment awaits us due to having lived according to a wrong set of beliefs?

Considering the lack of applicability of Jesus' promises in everyday life, as well as my poor health, I don't know how to cope with the possibility that I might be following the wrong path.
John 15:18
[ “If the world hates you, understand that it hated me first. 19 If you belonged to the world, the world would have loved its own. But because you do not belong to the world — on the contrary, I have picked you out of the world — therefore the world hates you. ]


Faith is a fruit of the spirit shared in fellowship to help nourish the brethren who lack.
A good samaritan does not simply, walk away and ignore even the basic needs of their neighbors.

1 Peter 3:17
 
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John?

[ For example, if John tells me he was at point A on a specific date, then later tells me he was at point B, halfway across the world on the same date at the same time, then I know John is lying about one or the other and possibly both. My doubt is intellectually justified with regards to his testimony about where he was and when. With regard to (some) biblical passages, I am comfortable applying similar conclusions when it is warranted, whereas before I would probably lean towards some reaching apologetics to reconcile the conflict - which often still left doubt, because it was only halfway convincing.]

The above in brackets sounds closer to a hypothetical instead of reasoned evidence.
Have you any veracity for doubt concerning scriptures?

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Blessings Always

I used a hypothetical comparison because this doesn't seem to be an appropriate thread to bring up specifics from within the bible.
 

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I used a hypothetical comparison because this doesn't seem to be an appropriate thread to bring up specifics from within the bible.
If you start a thread I'll gladly walk with u
 

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If your faith is strong enough as to not leave any room for doubt, this topic is not for you. Please move on and pray for the rest of us.

If your faith isn't strong enough as to reject the question "what if we're wrong about our beliefs?", you're invited to answer how often and how intense your struggles with doubt are, and how you handle the feeling that there's a possibility that we, Christians, might be wrong about our beliefs.

Atheist writer Richard Dawkins was asked what he would do if he found out that his lack of belief was wrong and he were to meet God in the afterlife. His reply is in an interview somewhere on YouTube. Now, let me ask you a similar question: what would you do if, in the afterlife, you were to find out that our beliefs were wrong because of satan's trickery or for whatever other reason, and that eternal punishment awaits us due to having lived according to a wrong set of beliefs?

Considering the lack of applicability of Jesus' promises in everyday life, as well as my poor health, I don't know how to cope with the possibility that I might be following the wrong path.

Re-reading this I had a few more thoughts.

Firstly, my personal opinion (which is arguably worth what you paid for it) is that anyone who claims to never doubt is lying. I know it's ultra trendy among some of the silly charismatic fringes of the church to act as if everything is permanently wonderful and that nobody ever doubts anything but in my experience all that achieves is lots of people who feel utterly lost when they do start to have doubts.

One thing with life is that almost nothing is guaranteed. It used to be said the only certain things in life were death and taxes. Years ago a salesman I was talking to said "there are two things that are certain - my mother met my father and one day I'll die". In this age of IVF and donations people can't even be sure their biological parents ever met each other, leaving death (and taxes) and the only certain things. Whatever the decision we make we have to consider the possibility we made a bad decision, or even a less-than-perfect decision. When I moved into my current house I knew it had a lot going for it, and that it had downsides. When I started renovating it I knew the end result would be something I'd love but had no idea how long it would take (and there are many days I wish I'd just sold the place and moved). When I chose a career path there was no guarantee that it would make me money or make me happy. When I go out to my favorite brewpub I have no guarantee that I'll have a good experience that evening, and if I try a new restaurant for the first time I don't even have the benefit of past experience to refer to.

The point of all this is that life involves chances, it involves risks. It involves making the best decision you can with the information available. Sometimes life gives us the chance to make a change if new information comes to light. There's nothing stopping me from selling my house as it is, there's nothing stopping me from paying a contractor to fix it up to the point it's presentable and then selling it, there's nothing stopping me from pressing on and finishing the renovation the way I want it. If available information changes (cost of running it, noise from the road, family requirements, whatever) I can change the plan. If I started my career path and found I couldn't make any money, or I hated the work, or the hours were too long, I could have chosen a different path.

If what Scripture teaches us is true and that we have one life and then face judgment, finding out when it's too late isn't much help. Richard Dawkins can come up with whatever clever words he wants to present what he claims he'll do if he finds out he's been wrong his entire life but the reality is that he probably wouldn't get to do much of that. Likewise if it turns out the Hare Krishnas were right and we're condemned for spending our life following the wrong deity we don't get an Undo button. That said one benefit of ignoring the faiths that believe in reincarnation is that if they are right you at least get another life, and another, and another, until you figure it all out. If the orange-robed happy people are right maybe my next life will be as a cow or something. So the question of what I'd do if I find out I'm wrong when I stand before whatever deity I didn't expect to face is a moot point. If the atheists were right all along there's nobody to stand before and I'm worm food, in which case I hope I made some aspect of the world a better place while I was here.

Hence it goes back to forming the best decision you can with the available information. That doesn't look so much at what kind of life I have compared to what I might like to have but whether we can consider the claims by and about Jesus Christ to be credible. The standard of evidence we need is a personal decision.

It's not a perfect analogy, but some years ago I served on a jury. The case I heard was two young men charged with attempted murder. The prosecution laid out their claims detailing how the accused targeted the victim. The defense laid out their claims detailing how the accused did nothing of the sort and the real reason they were where they were (I'm being deliberately vague here because of rules about disclosure, and the precise details aren't relevant). We as the jury had to determine which one we believed. If we returned a guilty verdict two men were going to jail for a long time. If we returned a not guilty verdict those two men were going free. If we were wrong it meant either two innocent men lost a big chunk of their lives, or that two potential killers were turned loose on the streets. As the jury retired to deliberate not a single one of us knew for sure what happened - we weren't there. All we had to go on was witness statements, police statements and some aspects of evidence that neither side disputed. Those young men were probably in their early-mid 20s at the time and, unless something unexpected changed, are still in jail. Did we make the correct decision, or did we condemn two innocent men to over a decade in jail? I still can't say with 100% certainty, because I wasn't there. I can say that, based on the evidence, I am confident that those two men did what they were accused of doing - sufficiently confident that I sleep just fine at night knowing I was one of the jurors who returned that guilty verdict.

In the same way I can't produce conclusive proof one way or the other as to whether God exists, whether Allah/Ganesh/Krishna/Vishnu/FSM exists. All I can do is look at the evidence and keep looking until something satisfies me that it's worth following.
 

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This is actually quite closely related to a topic I'm planning on preaching on in a few months time.
You're a pastor? 😲
 

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All I can do is look at the evidence and keep looking until something satisfies me that it's worth following.
I have found that to be a wrong approach to making decisions because I can be easily persuaded by anything that is logical and coherent. If I were to apply the method you mentioned, I'd probably go crazy because I'd be able to find logical arguments to support the vericity of many different religions and heresies.
 
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