Taxes, Tithes, and money changers in The Temple

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Has anyone reading here ever studied the historical aspect of taxes used to oppress the poor?

How many times a yr did the Roman's tax israel during yeshua(jesus) time?

 

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Has anyone reading here ever studied the historical aspect of taxes used to oppress the poor?

How many times a yr did the Roman's tax israel during yeshua(jesus) time?

Luke 2:1-4

 

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Personally I deduce it was 3 times a yr during the High Holy yammin(days).
And the publicans known as money changers in the temple took advantage of the occassions.
Matthew 18:17
“Moreover, if your brother commits a sin against you, go and show him his fault — but privately, just between the two of you. If he listens to you, you have won back your brother. 16 If he doesn’t listen, take one or two others with you so that every accusation can be supported by the testimony of two or three witnesses.17 If he refuses to hear them, tell the congregation; and if he refuses to listen even to the congregation, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax-collector.

 

[Lamb]

Has anyone reading here ever studied the historical aspect of taxes used to oppress the poor?

How many times a yr did the Roman's tax israel during yeshua(jesus) time?

It was brought up during a bible study at my church a decade ago but I don't remember all the details that was brought forth.

 

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It was brought up during a bible study at my church a decade ago but I don't remember all the details that was brought forth.

That sounds quite interesting that your congregation would have detailed bible studies to enrich with perspective.

Blessings Always

 

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Personally I deduce it was 3 times a yr during the High Holy yammin(days).
And the publicans known as money changers in the temple took advantage of the occassions.
Matthew 18:17
“Moreover, if your brother commits a sin against you, go and show him his fault — but privately, just between the two of you. If he listens to you, you have won back your brother. 16 If he doesn’t listen, take one or two others with you so that every accusation can be supported by the testimony of two or three witnesses.17 If he refuses to hear them, tell the congregation; and if he refuses to listen even to the congregation, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax-collector.

The reason for such a deductive reasoning on my part derives from information concerning toll taxation along with inheritance, and jew tax.

The money changers would have infiltration methods to monitor such during the High Holy days of;
}Pesach
}Shavuot
}Sukkoth
when all the sons and heads of family would be visiting the kingdom.

 

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The reason for such a deductive reasoning on my part derives from information concerning toll taxation along with inheritance, and jew tax.

The money changers would have infiltration methods to monitor such during the High Holy days of;
}Pesach
}Shavuot
}Sukkoth
when all the sons and heads of family would be visiting the kingdom.

A census used when most effecient is what I imagine to be a strategic action used by those seeking monetary gain.
Both the greeks and romans would have intimate knowledge of every culture they accosted. Including israel and their practices of sons and heads visiting three times a yr.

Though I've decuced this position of opinion.
There is no information abroad the internet sources that specifically designate how many times or when during a calendar yr taxes were paid.
Instead there were many sources of only the sort of taxes that were paid.

I bring up this point in order to encourage others to study historical information along with scripture with an exegetic approach.
Acts 5: 35-39....being an example of reasoned deduction

27 Bible verses about Census

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Blessings Always

 

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The reason for such a deductive reasoning on my part derives from information concerning toll taxation along with inheritance, and jew tax.

The money changers would have infiltration methods to monitor such during the High Holy days of;
}Pesach
}Shavuot
}Sukkoth
when all the sons and heads of family would be visiting the kingdom.

Below in brackets is an excerpt from;

Why Was There a Roman Census at Jesus' Birth in the Bible?

Luke 2:1 is the traditional starting point for the Christmas story of Jesus' birth: “In those days Caesar Augustus issued a decree that a census should be taken of the entire Roman world.” So how did a Roman census lead to the fulfillment of prophecy and one of the most beloved stories of all...

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[ Caesar Augustus was also just generally a luxurious emperor. He recorded in his “Res Gestae Divi Avgvsti” (“The Deeds of Divine Augustus”— quite a fancy name for a diary) that he ordered widespread censuses of Rome at least three times in 28 B.C., 8 B.C., and 14 A.D. ]


Hhmm.
42 yrs?
3 times per each certain year of census?

 

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Still searching for meticulous records of taxation proposed by alleged historians of roman culture/government.
If such record keeping were apparent.
Why then are roman taxation records obscured in subtilties?
Ive only found taxation upon certain commodities but never a when during a yr during these past few days of research.
Though there are references to current uses of taxation or lack there of during military conquest.
Much is left to imagination, speculation, and reasonable deduction.

Where are the meticulous records?

 

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Still searching for meticulous records of taxation proposed by alleged historians of roman culture/government.
If such record keeping were apparent.
Why then are roman taxation records obscured in subtilties?
Ive only found taxation upon certain commodities but never a when during a yr during these past few days of research.
Though there are references to current uses of taxation or lack there of during military conquest.
Much is left to imagination, speculation, and reasonable deduction.

Where are the meticulous records?

Another notation I've made;
When are tithes due?
>Daily
>Weekly
>Yearly

>Or especially when commodities are most plentiful?

 

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I wonder if a tithe is generously given during times of plenty similar to after yosef stored up treasure during a famine of 7 yrs.?
Likened to how an individusl offering from a certain women was praised by yeshua/jesus for her offering that out-weighed many others.


Blessings Always

 

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I wonder if a tithe is generously given during times of plenty similar to after yosef stored up treasure during a famine of 7 yrs.?
Likened to how an individusl offering from a certain women was praised by yeshua/jesus for her offering that out-weighed many others.


Blessings Always

7 yrs
Luke 20
[ Then came to him certain of the Sadducees, which deny that there is any resurrection; and they asked him,

28 Saying, Master, Moses wrote unto us, If any man's brother die, having a wife, and he die without children, that his brother should take his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother.

29 There were therefore seven brethren: and the first took a wife, and died without children. ]

Luke 21
[ And he looked up, and saw the rich men casting their gifts into the treasury.

2 And he saw also a certain poor widow casting in thither two mites.

3 And he said, Of a truth I say unto you, that this poor widow hath cast in more than they all:

4 For all these have of their abundance cast in unto the offerings of God: but she of her penury hath cast in all the living that she had.]

 

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For those that observe and recognise the almond as a first tithe of tu bshvtim.

May a Blessing in fellowship be a strength in your heart.

 

[JRT]

More needs to be said about the census. There is no record of a comprehensive census of the entire (Roman) world. In those days a census was much different than those of today. In Italy periodic censuses were ordered to enroll all men of military age but this happened only in Italy. Elsewhere in the Empire a census had a quite different purpose --- it was to enroll the value of land and/or business assets for the purpose of taxation. Such a census did not require that people return to their ancient home town. Can you just imagine the massive dislocation that would entail? The Romans were a very practical people and the census was not focused on people at all. The census dealt with land and business in place for the purpose of taxation and likely involved an inspection of the property. In the colonies the Romans employed the notorious system of tax farming. This system resulted in very onerous tax burdens. The actual collection of taxes was farmed out to locals who bid for the privilege. These were the hated publicans who enriched themselves in the process.

 

[pinacled]

More needs to be said about the census. There is no record of a comprehensive census of the entire (Roman) world. In those days a census was much different than those of today. In Italy periodic censuses were ordered to enroll all men of military age but this happened only in Italy. Elsewhere in the Empire a census had a quite different purpose --- it was to enroll the value of land and/or business assets for the purpose of taxation. Such a census did not require that people return to their ancient home town. Can you just imagine the massive dislocation that would entail? The Romans were a very practical people and the census was not focused on people at all. The census dealt with land and business in place for the purpose of taxation and likely involved an inspection of the property. In the colonies the Romans employed the notorious system of tax farming. This system resulted in very onerous tax burdens. The actual collection of taxes was farmed out to locals who bid for the privilege. These were the hated publicans who enriched themselves in the process.

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