Should people who rip books out of the Bible burn in Hell?

[NathanH83]

Scripture warns not to take stuff out

 

[Josiah]

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Before someone can be rebuked for taking something out, they'd need to show it was first in.


Some Catholics to this day rebuke Luther for taking a book OUT of the Bible - but are very quiet about which book. It was the Epistle to the Leodiceans, a short book (you can read it, just google it) that most Catholic tomes included for about 1000 years. Yes, it was IN most Catholic tomes but Luther did NOT include it in his personal translation - and Catholics then SCREAMED about this, and some still do. Thing is, the Roman Catholic Council of Trent just after Luther left it out too!!!! And the Roman Catholic Council at Florence just before Luther also left it out! But those Catholics won't tell you that. Indeed, Luther's translation had one MORE book in it than post Trent modern Roman Catholic Bibles do. One MORE! Those Catholics won't tell you that.

And modern Catholic tomes have fewer books than Anglican/Episcopalian Bibles do, so did Catholics not only join with Luther in taking out the Epistle to the Leodiceans but also a bunch of other books found in the Anglican Bible? And the modern Catholic Bible has fewer books in it than the Greek Orthodox Church has in theirs, so did the RCC take stuff out? And the Greek Orthdox Church has fewer books in its Bible than the Syrian Orthodox Church does.... and the Syrian Orthodox Church has fewer books in its Bible than the Cyptic Orthodox Church.

There is universal consensus among all Christians around 66 books (and has been for at least 1600 years). Some 7 or 8 rather irrelevant and largely ignored Books have much consensus but not universal. There are a couple of dozen other largely forgotten, unused, irrelevant books that some Eastern Orthodox groups technically but unofficially include but no Orthodox Church agrees with ANY other concerning their (unofficially and irrelevant) unqiue set.



Oh, and by the way, the verse you reference refers to the Book of Revelation, not the Bible.


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[tango]

Scripture warns not to take stuff out

If you're referring to the words in Revelation you need to be sure that it applies to anything outside the scope of the Revelation, right?

 

[NathanH83]

If you're referring to the words in Revelation you need to be sure that it applies to anything outside the scope of the Revelation, right?

Psalms Deuteronomy warn too

 

[tango]

Psalms Deuteronomy warn too

You'd still need to look at exactly what they say. Since the Bible is a collection of books it doesn't automatically work to argue that what one book says specifically applies to every other book. Just like the warning in the Revelation would seem to apply to the Revelation rather than the other books of Scripture, I'd expect the same to be the case with similar warnings in other books.

 

[JRT]

If you have been paying attention to more recent translations of the Gospel of John, you will have noticed that John 7:53 - 8:11—the story of the woman caught in adultery of whom Jesus says, "Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her"—has been getting some interesting treatment by the scholars. The evidence that it was not an original part of this gospel is clear. The verses are absent from a wide array of early and diverse witnesses (papyrus 66, papyrus 75, A [Codex Sinaiticus], B [Codex Vaticanus] and a host of others), and there is evidence that some manuscripts of John place these verses after John 7:36, some after John 7:52, some after John 21:25, and one manuscript even has it in the Gospel of Luke after Luke 21:38.

 

[atpollard]

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[NathanH83]

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And your point is?

Oh, that is your point.

Good point.

 

[pinacled]

Psalms Deuteronomy warn too

Will you please the scripture

 

[pinacled]

And your point is?

Oh, that is your point.

Good point.

No point is good except ?

 

[pinacled]

Psalms Deuteronomy warn too

Devavim(deuteronomy) 4:2

א וְעַתָּה יִשְׂרָאֵל, שְׁמַע אֶל-הַחֻקִּים וְאֶל-הַמִּשְׁפָּטִים, אֲשֶׁר אָנֹכִי מְלַמֵּד אֶתְכֶם, לַעֲשׂוֹת--לְמַעַן תִּחְיוּ, וּבָאתֶם וִירִשְׁתֶּם אֶת-הָאָרֶץ, אֲשֶׁר יְהוָה אֱלֹהֵי אֲבֹתֵיכֶם, נֹתֵן לָכֶם.

1 And now, O Israel, hearken unto the statutes and unto the ordinances, which I teach you, to do them; that ye may live, and go in and possess the land which the LORD, the God of your fathers, giveth you.ב לֹא תֹסִפוּ, עַל-הַדָּבָר אֲשֶׁר אָנֹכִי מְצַוֶּה אֶתְכֶם, וְלֹא תִגְרְעוּ, מִמֶּנּוּ--לִשְׁמֹר, אֶת-מִצְוֺת יְהוָה אֱלֹהֵיכֶם, אֲשֶׁר אָנֹכִי, מְצַוֶּה אֶתְכֶם.

2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

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[pinacled]

Psalms Deuteronomy warn too

Where in psalms is a referential warning found?

 

[pinacled]

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Bible Verses about God's Word, Adding or Subtracting

Deuteronomy 12:29-32"When the LORD your God cuts off from before you the nations which you go to dispossess, and

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[pinacled]

If you have been paying attention to more recent translations of the Gospel of John, you will have noticed that John 7:53 - 8:11—the story of the woman caught in adultery of whom Jesus says, "Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her"—has been getting some interesting treatment by the scholars. The evidence that it was not an original part of this gospel is clear. The verses are absent from a wide array of early and diverse witnesses (papyrus 66, papyrus 75, A [Codex Sinaiticus], B [Codex Vaticanus] and a host of others), and there is evidence that some manuscripts of John place these verses after John 7:36, some after John 7:52, some after John 21:25, and one manuscript even has it in the Gospel of Luke after Luke 21:38.

Instead of exploring man made traditions that presume the, "woman caught in adultery", is automatically presumed guilty.

Consider The Torah.
Her accusers had to have been a single collective witness with direct involvement in said adultry.
Where was the man involved in said adultry?
Halachah in Torah states there need be 2 witnesses.
Meaning both parties male and female involved.
Then the female involved would have to testify of whom she had committed such with.

Yet the womans silence in this instance saved more lives than her own.
Likely her own accusers..

A lesson in courage far as I can see.

Blessings Always

 

[pinacled]

Scripture warns not to take stuff out

Even so.
There needs be proof of intention after correction.

If correction is ignored.

Then the instruction of, "abstaining from an appearance of evil", is tantamount and comparable to, "shaking the dust from your feet".

Blessings Always

 

[pinacled]

Even so.
There needs be proof of intention after correction.

If correction is ignored.

Then the instruction of, "abstaining from an appearance of evil", is tantamount and comparable to, "shaking the dust from your feet".

Blessings Always

2 Timothy 2:15

 

[Josiah]

There is no verse about taking something out of the BIBLE.... there is at least one that mentions not taking anything out of THAT BOOK, but the Bible is a collection of books regarded as the inscripturated words of God. Never was the Bible just one book (well, at one time two tablets but not one book).


See post #2




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[JRT]

Instead of exploring man made traditions that presume the, "woman caught in adultery", is automatically presumed guilty.

Consider The Torah.
Her accusers had to have been a single collective witness with direct involvement in said adultry.
Where was the man involved in said adultry?
Halachah in Torah states there need be 2 witnesses.
Meaning both parties male and female involved.
Then the female involved would have to testify of whom she had committed such with.

Yet the womans silence in this instance saved more lives than her own.
Likely her own accusers..

A lesson in courage far as I can see.

Blessings Always

A very interesting take. Even if this passage was not original to the gospel it still is one of the most memorable.

 

[pinacled]

A very interesting take. Even if this passage was not original to the gospel it still is one of the most memorable.

A memorable lesson indeed.

Devarim ch 19

טו לֹא-יָקוּם עֵד אֶחָד בְּאִישׁ, לְכָל-עָוֺן וּלְכָל-חַטָּאת, בְּכָל-חֵטְא, אֲשֶׁר יֶחֱטָא: עַל-פִּי שְׁנֵי עֵדִים, אוֹ עַל-פִּי שְׁלֹשָׁה-עֵדִים--יָקוּם דָּבָר.
15 One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth; at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall a matter be established.טז כִּי-יָקוּם עֵד-חָמָס, בְּאִישׁ, לַעֲנוֹת בּוֹ, סָרָה.
16 If an unrighteous witness rise up against any man to bear perverted witness against him;יז וְעָמְדוּ שְׁנֵי-הָאֲנָשִׁים אֲשֶׁר-לָהֶם הָרִיב, לִפְנֵי יְהוָה, לִפְנֵי הַכֹּהֲנִים וְהַשֹּׁפְטִים, אֲשֶׁר יִהְיוּ בַּיָּמִים הָהֵם.
17 then both the men, between whom the controversy is, shall stand before the LORD, before the priests and the judges that shall be in those days.יח וְדָרְשׁוּ הַשֹּׁפְטִים, הֵיטֵב; וְהִנֵּה עֵד-שֶׁקֶר הָעֵד, שֶׁקֶר עָנָה בְאָחִיו.
18 And the judges shall inquire diligently; and, behold, if the witness be a false witness, and hath testified falsely against his brother;יט וַעֲשִׂיתֶם לוֹ, כַּאֲשֶׁר זָמַם לַעֲשׂוֹת לְאָחִיו; וּבִעַרְתָּ הָרָע, מִקִּרְבֶּךָ.
19 then shall ye do unto him, as he had purposed to do unto his brother; so shalt thou put away the evil from the midst of thee.כ וְהַנִּשְׁאָרִים, יִשְׁמְעוּ וְיִרָאוּ; וְלֹא-יֹסִפוּ לַעֲשׂוֹת עוֹד, כַּדָּבָר הָרָע הַזֶּה--בְּקִרְבֶּךָ.
20 And those that remain shall hear, and fear, and shall henceforth commit no more any such evil in the midst of thee.כא וְלֹא תָחוֹס, עֵינֶךָ: נֶפֶשׁ בְּנֶפֶשׁ, עַיִן בְּעַיִן שֵׁן בְּשֵׁן, יָד בְּיָד, רֶגֶל בְּרָגֶל. {ס}
21 And thine eye shall not pity: life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.

 

[Josiah]

This thread is about ripping books out of the Bible.

No one has provided anything to suggest that anyone has ripped any book out of anything.



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