What If I Was Born Dishonest?

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I was fully capable of dishonesty at a very young age without any special training.

For example; when I was a pre-schooler back in the late 1940s, there wasn't as yet
any daytime television. Well; my favorite children's program came on at 5:00 pm.
It featured a marionette cowboy with little six shooters. So one day I got the bright
idea to adjust the clock sitting on the tv ahead so my mom would think it was time
to turn on my cowboy. However, the only thing to watch before 5:00 pm back then
was a test pattern so it wasn't very long before mom caught on to the ruse.
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Very impressive.
A pre-schooler/toddler able to perceive time in order to operate and change clock hands.

 

[atpollard]

Who is we?

People in general.

 

[pinacled]

People in general.

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This week’s study is from Tehillim / Psalms 58:1-11, the psalm opens saying, א לַמְנַצֵּחַ אַל-תַּשְׁחֵת לְדָוִד מִכְתָּם: For the choir director; set to

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[pinacled]

People in general.

Psalms 58 is about speaking righteousness in opposition to other nations that teach otherwise.
Recall what happened to the philistines after they took the ark!

Blessings Always

 

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• Ps 58:3 . . The wicked are estranged from the womb; these who speak lies go
astray from birth.


If perchance someone reading this is a natural-born liar; they should probably take
advantage of whatever time they have remaining to begin preparing themselves for
the worst when they pass on.


• Rev 21:8 . . . All liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and
brimstone, which is the second death.
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[ 58:3 But, O wicked, wherefore do you commit iniquity in the heart, wherefore do your hands establish crime on the earth? 58:4 The wicked have become strangers from birth; those who utter falsehood have gone astray from the womb.]
2 thessalonians 2:11

A stern warning for those who love to make a lie far as I can see.
Once a person receives the mark of the beast, its over.

 

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[ 58:3 But, O wicked, wherefore do you commit iniquity in the heart, wherefore do your hands establish crime on the earth? 58:4 The wicked have become strangers from birth; those who utter falsehood have gone astray from the womb.]
2 thessalonians 2:11

A stern warning for those who love to make a lie far as I can see.
Once a person receives the mark of the beast, its over.

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[pinacled]

People in general.

Worldly unbelievers?

 

[pinacled]

So Jesus' blood can't save them? How sad (sarcasm).

The Law tells sinners what they have done and the consequences...the GOSPEL tells them about Jesus the Savior who died for their sins.

While fairing well with an honest wind I've found many circumstances in life to be memorable.

Especially during my youth where curiosity, imagination, and education served an honorable purpose.
Though my faculties of thought on occasion were astrayed from consequence at times.
Example: accidental burning of my father's barn taught me that a three alarm fire means 3 fire dept are called to quench the flame.

Only out of fear will a child of the Lord deny responsibilty for certain actions in ignorance.
Till the day star rises in their heart and they seek wisdom from whom is considered a mother from above.

Even so there are elements of time and space that escape comprehension for even those whom submit humbly before the Lord of Host.

For all children I pray and hope a
Path and will of The Lord is revealed.

Blessings Always

 

[Lamb]

While fairing well with an honest wind I've found many circumstances in life to be memorable.

Especially during my youth where curiosity, imagination, and education served an honorable purpose.
Though my faculties of thought on occasion were astrayed from consequence at times.
Example: accidental burning of my father's barn taught me that a three alarm fire means 3 fire dept are called to quench the flame.

Only out of fear will a child of the Lord deny responsibilty for certain actions in ignorance.
Till the day star rises in their heart and they seek wisdom from whom is considered a mother from above.

Even so there are elements of time and space that escape comprehension for even those whom submit humbly before the Lord of Host.

For all children I pray and hope a
Path and will of The Lord is revealed.

Blessings Always

Bringing someone to repentance is what the Holy Spirit gladly does in us

 

[Odë:hgöd]

• Matt 1:21 . . He shall save his people from their sins.

The Greek word translated "save" means to rescue and/or protect.

Well that is exactly what natural-born liars are in desperate need of.

• Luke 2:11 . . I bring you good tidings of great joy. Unto you is born this day in the
city of David a savior

Webster's defines a savior as: one that rescues from danger or destruction.

Rescuing is what the Coast Guard does when boats capsize. Rescuing is what
Firemen do when people are trapped inside burning buildings. Rescuing is what
mountaineer teams do when climbers are in trouble. Rescuing is what EMT
paramedics do when someone needs to get to a hospital in a hurry; and kept alive
till they arrive. Rescuing is what surgeons do when someone needs an organ
transplant.

I could go on and on giving you example of rescuer after rescuer; but I think you
get the idea. The savior born in Bethlehem rescues and protects people from the
wrath of God-- people who fully deserve Hell, definitely in line to go there; and
utterly powerless to do anything about it.

"Can the Ethiopian change his skin or the leopard its spots? Then may you also do
good who are accustomed to do evil." (Jer 13:23)

The angel said that his announcement was "good tidings of great joy". Well I can
assure that Christ is reason enough to be very happy for someone who fits the
description of a natural born liar.

• Matt 18:11 . . For the Son of Man has come to rescue that which was lost.
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[Lamb]

Glad to see you finally got around to agreeing with me that Jesus can overcome that old Adam's sin.

 

[Lucian Hodoboc]

But the point of Jesus in that verse is not exactly that.... His point is that faith (trust/reliance) is to be "child like" - simple, trusting, not stumbling over mystery, etc. A CHILD LIKE faith..

If we are to be trusting and not stumbling over mystery, why were the apostles told to be wise as serpents and gentle as doves, and why does the apostle John advise Christians to test the spirits? Moreover, what's the point of Christian apologetics trying to prove that Christianity is true by using historical facts and logical arguments? Shouldn't we just trust whatever is told to us, regardless of whether it contradicts what was previously told to us or not, just like children do?

 

[Lamb]

If we are to be trusting and not stumbling over mystery, why were the apostles told to be wise as serpents and gentle as doves, and why does the apostle John advise Christians to test the spirits? Moreover, what's the point of Christian apologetics trying to prove that Christianity is true by using historical facts and logical arguments? Shouldn't we just trust whatever is told to us, regardless of whether it contradicts what was previously told to us or not, just like children do?

The ones you are to test are the ones you should be suspicious of that they're giving you false information about God and salvation. Scriptures aren't telling you to doubt God but doubt those giving you information about Him. Check to make sure it's accurate.

 

[Josiah]

If we are to be trusting and not stumbling over mystery, why were the apostles told to be wise as serpents and gentle as doves

Wisdom does not equal proclaiming our "answers" to our questions to be God's Truth....


It is often most wise to admit God's ways are not our ways, to admit God very likely knows more about Himself than I do. Sometimes the most wise thing one can say in these matters is "God knows... I do not." Sometimes the most foolish thing one can say is "I'm SOOO smart that I know what God forgot to declare.... I know the absolute answer to my question.... God agrees with me or God wouldn't be as smart as me."


Wisdom means holding to the "MYSTERIES of God" not eliminating them with my opinions. Never does the Bible say, "Fill in the blanks for God so that God seems to be as smart as you." The Bible says we are "STEWARDS (caretakers) of the MYSTERIES of God." Guardians of the MYSTERIES.


My doctrine teacher noted that RARE is the heretic that said too little, nearly always the heresy is because the man said too much. Or to put it another way, heresy rarely flows from humility, it is produced by pride.


Martin Luther: "Humility is the foundation of all sound theology."

, and why does the apostle John advise Christians to test the spirits?

Because foolishness abounds..... But we are to test it NOT by how it jibes with MY feelings, MY opinions, MY brain but by what GOD has declared in His inscripturated words.




To the point of this thread...

There is NOTHING in Scripture (or Tradition) that states that children are born with divine holiness and moral perfection... and remain so until 8:00 PM on their 8th birthday (or whatever magic date the heretic may invent out of thin air). We are sinful... by nature.

Nor is there ANYTHING in Scripture (or Tradition) that says children are SINFUL but God is unjust with them and doesn't hold them accountable.... indeed, the Bible says that (at least with humans) death is the punishment for SIN. So if children die, they MUST be sinful or why would God punish someone for something they are not accountable for? Children die (even in the womb).... death is the punishment for sin..... "the wages of sin is death."

And again, IF it's true that children are born sinless and saved... born with divine holiness equal to God and divine morality and love equal to God UNTIL 8:00 PM on their 8th Birthday when suddenly - pow - they become sinful, fallen and unsaved.... then the best way to insure they go to heaven is to kill them at 7:59 PM (no chance then that they'll go to the alternative), the means of grace would be abortion and infanticide but that's not what the Bible prescribes.


A blessed Christmas to you and yours....


Josiah





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[pinacled]

If you say so. The jury is still out on that in my opinion.


Exercise caution when swinging a sword or you may poke an eye out.

What does the Psalms say about “conceived in iniquity“?
What does the Psalms say about “Liars from birth”?
What does Genesis say about man’s heart continuously desiring evil?

Where does scripture say “except for cute little babies”?

Roman's 5:1
["Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ' ]

Faith being a preeminent part of the spiritual armor and Fruits of the spirit!

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If anyone disagrees with such a statement.
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And there are rules about posting in this sub-forum.

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Blessings Always

 

[MicheleMarie]

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• Ps 58:3 . . The wicked are estranged from the womb; these who speak lies go
astray from birth.


If perchance someone reading this is a natural-born liar; they should probably take
advantage of whatever time they have remaining to begin preparing themselves for
the worst when they pass on.


• Rev 21:8 . . . All liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and
brimstone, which is the second death.
_

I'm sure God forgives the dishonesty and HE will allow the change towards futcher honesty

 

[pinacled]

I'm sure God forgives the dishonesty and HE will allow the change towards futcher honesty

Amen

 

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Bringing someone to repentance is what the Holy Spirit gladly does in us

When the good soil receives a good seed!

 

[Lamb]

When the good soil receives a good seed!

The Holy Spirit makes good soil.

 

[Josiah]

I'm sure God forgives the dishonesty

.... then there IS sin (or God would have nothing to forgive)



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