CH member in YouTube series

[Andrew]

NathanH83 is a member here and a YouTuber, in this three part series he and another YouTuber discuss the KJV and the Septuagint.
Start at around 4 minutes in for Nathan's appearance in the discussion.

Thoughts regarding his views?

 

[pinacled]

They're only repeating works of others that theyve read to promote scandal.

In short they desire attention even if wrong.

 

[Andrew]

They're only repeating works of others what theyve read to promote scandal.

In short they desire attention even if wrong.

How? We have a library of first century, 2nd and 3rd century writings of early Christianity, besides that we have biblical proof of Jesus and Stephen the Martyr siding with the Septuagint, I know you haven't watched the series because you were barely online at CH not long enough to do so

 

[pinacled]

How? We have a library of first century, 2nd and 3rd century writings of early Christianity, besides that we have biblical proof of Jesus and Stephen the Martyr siding with the Septuagint, I know you haven't watched the series because you were barely online at CH not long enough to do so

I watched enough to see and hear the familiar rhetoric of confusion.

Shem is the priesthood order Yeshua spoke of in spirit through ole sh'aul as malqi'tzadiq.
Melech(king
Tzadik(righteousness

And this is the reason you will find jews speaking of ha'shem as their Lord.

[Staff Edit]

 

[Lamb]

Could we please get back on topic concerning the content of the videos? If he's stating something wrong, then address how it is wrong rather than discussing his intent on creating the video. Thanks.

 

[pinacled]

Could we please get back on topic concerning the content of the videos? If he's stating something wrong, then address how it is wrong rather than discussing his intent on creating the video. Thanks.

There is no need to debate the discord being promoted and sowed in the videos.
The septugugu, samaritan bible, and josephus flavious are proven to be fraudulent misinformation printed far later than what is espoused by the individuals in the video.
Hence my remark about the familiar rhetoric.
The concord given by the individuals is constantly citing other sources with an intention of promoting other youtubers. Ie marketing scheme.
And in doing so they're making a case against the original unchanged hebrew tanakh/torah as an action of blatantly mocking The Lord.
Hence my remark about swine.

Correction is the only further precedent course of action to take.
Ephesians 5:11
2 timothy 3:7

Blessings Always

 

[pinacled]

Could we please get back on topic concerning the content of the videos? If he's stating something wrong, then address how it is wrong rather than discussing his intent on creating the video. Thanks.

I'll add that this topic has no relation to Christian Theology.

 

[Andrew]

I'll add that this topic has no relation to Christian Theology.

Can you post for me the verse where Jesus quotes from Isaiah in the synagogue?

that quote comes from the Septuagint verbatim of what Jesus quoted, the Masoretic leaves out "and recovery of sight to the blind".. please explain to me why Jesus misquoted the verse and why no one in the synagogue corrected him on that

 

[Lamb]

I have done a clean up in this thread. Stay on topic please and address the content of the videos and not the persons.

 

[Andrew]

I watched enough to see and hear the familiar rhetoric of confusion.

Shem is the priesthood order Yeshua spoke of in spirit through ole sh'aul as malqi'tzadiq.
Melech(king
Tzadik(righteousness

And this is the reason you will find jews speaking of ha'shem as their Lord.

[Staff Edit]

Shem had a mother and a father, a birth and a death, Melchezidic had neither genealogy and no beginning of days nor death.. read with your own eyes, take the scriptures word for it not mine.

Hebrew 7:1-3
For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him; To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace; Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.


Nathan is an apologetic, the Septuagint timeline has Shem dying before Abraham, this goes against the Rabbinic anti-Christian belief that Shem met Abraham..

Shem is from the tribe of Levi so Jews teach that because Jesus was from the tribe of Judah then he can not be the new High Priest, yet in Hebrews we learn that Melchezidic is an eternal, without genealogy nor descent etc... so Shem is not Melchezidic

 

[pinacled]

Shem had a mother and a father, a birth and a death, Melchezidic had neither genealogy and no beginning of days nor death.. read with your own eyes, take the scriptures word for it not mine.

Hebrew 7:1-3
For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him; To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace; Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.


Nathan is an apologetic, the Septuagint timeline has Shem dying before Abraham, this goes against the Rabbinic anti-Christian belief that Shem met Abraham..

Shem is from the tribe of Levi so Jews teach that because Jesus was from the tribe of Judah then he can not be the new High Priest, yet in Hebrews we learn that Melchezidic is an eternal, without genealogy nor descent etc... so Shem is not Melchezidic

[ For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;

2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;

3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

4 Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.

5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:

6 But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.

7 And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better ]

As for melchizedek having no father or mother, genealogy, etc.
I believe that ole sh'aul is referring to the titles of the priesthood. Hence the distinction he gives concerning the lesser preisthood of levites

Not sure how you came to the conclusion that shem was, "from the tribe of levi".

Would you mind explaining

 

[Andrew]

[ For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;

2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;

3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

4 Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.

5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:

6 But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.

7 And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better ]

As for melchizedek having no father or mother, genealogy, etc.
I believe that ole sh'aul is referring to the titles of the priesthood. Hence the distinction he gives concerning the lesser preisthood of levites

Not sure how you came to the conclusion that shem was, "from the tribe of levi".

Would you mind explaining

Sorry, I meant that if Melchezidic was Shem then Shem gave the high priesthood to Abraham down to Levi, but the NT says that Jesus is the new High Priest according to the order of Melchezidic, meaning not from the high priesthood that was exclusive to the tribe of Levi but from Melchezidic, who is an eternal living being

 

[pinacled]

Sorry, I meant that if Melchezidic was Shem then Shem gave the high priesthood to Abraham down to Levi, but the NT says that Jesus is the new High Priest according to the order of Melchezidic, meaning not from the high priesthood that was exclusive to the tribe of Levi but from Melchezidic, who is an eternal living being

How so, please explain?

Hebrews 7:5
The distinction is that the levites serve in a capacity to collect tithes from their brethren tribes whereas Abraham offered a tithe to another priesthood order.
An elder priesthood if it be shem.
Matthew 3:9
"Pure religion undefiled..."

Blessings Always

 

[Andrew]

It's the order of an eternal life

 

[pinacled]

Shem had a mother and a father, a birth and a death, Melchezidic had neither genealogy and no beginning of days nor death.. read with your own eyes, take the scriptures word for it not mine.

Hebrew 7:1-3
For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him; To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace; Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.


Nathan is an apologetic, the Septuagint timeline has Shem dying before Abraham, this goes against the Rabbinic anti-Christian belief that Shem met Abraham..

Shem is from the tribe of Levi so Jews teach that because Jesus was from the tribe of Judah then he can not be the new High Priest, yet in Hebrews we learn that Melchezidic is an eternal, without genealogy nor descent etc... so Shem is not Melchezidic

In your last paragraph there are a few assertions that need to be clarified .
"Jews teach....."

Please explain?

 

[Andrew]

In your last paragraph there are a few assertions that need to be clarified .
"Jews teach....."

Please explain?

This Rabbi explains it (9 minute video)

 

[pinacled]

This Rabbi explains it (9 minute video)

A youtuber making claims in no form answers what, " jews teach".
They're a youtuber. Not rabbi
The youngin on the video is quite derelict of jewish teachings and demeans both jews and Christian's in a slanderous manner.

Please search for a jewish source material to explain what, " jews teach .." according to your assertion.

 

[Andrew]

A youtuber making claims in no form answers what, " jews teach".
They're youtuber. Not rabbi
The youngin on the video is quite derilect of jewish teachings and demeans both jews and Christian's in a slanderous manner.

Please search for a jewish source material to explain what, " jews teach .." according to your assertion.

"Taken alone, this tiny anecdote does indeed seem strange. The Torah tells us nothing else about this man and his relationship to Abraham.

The ancient Targumim (Aramaic interpretive translations) identify Melchizedek as Shem—son of Noah. Shem was one of the links in the chain who transmitted the G‑dly traditions that originated with Adam. These traditions were carefully handed down from generation to generation, and Shem—who headed an academy—was a key conductor of these teachings. The Midrash tells us that he was so perfect and so spiritually advanced that he was born circumcised"

From Chabad.org

 

[pinacled]

"Taken alone, this tiny anecdote does indeed seem strange. The Torah tells us nothing else about this man and his relationship to Abraham.

The ancient Targumim (Aramaic interpretive translations) identify Melchizedek as Shem—son of Noah. Shem was one of the links in the chain who transmitted the G‑dly traditions that originated with Adam. These traditions were carefully handed down from generation to generation, and Shem—who headed an academy—was a key conductor of these teachings. The Midrash tells us that he was so perfect and so spiritually advanced that he was born circumcised"

From Chabad.org

Excellent post

 

[pinacled]

"Taken alone, this tiny anecdote does indeed seem strange. The Torah tells us nothing else about this man and his relationship to Abraham.

The ancient Targumim (Aramaic interpretive translations) identify Melchizedek as Shem—son of Noah. Shem was one of the links in the chain who transmitted the G‑dly traditions that originated with Adam. These traditions were carefully handed down from generation to generation, and Shem—who headed an academy—was a key conductor of these teachings. The Midrash tells us that he was so perfect and so spiritually advanced that he was born circumcised"

From Chabad.org

Something to consider by yourself and all readers here is the Title, "King of peace", Shalom".

A peice of spiritual armor should come to mind when hearing such a humble greeting.

Blessings Always