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[tango]

Looks like Project Veritas has a whistleblower alleging fraud handling mail ballots in Michigan.

Michigan USPS ‘Insider’ Delivers Testimony Of ‘Shady’ Postmark Scheme To Handstamp ‘Nov. 3’ On Late Ballots … Calls On Other Post Office Workers: ‘If They See Anything Shady To Report It’ … Michigan Law Forbids Votes Past 8 P.M. Election Day | Projec

Investigating and exposing corruption in both public and private institutions.

www.projectveritas.com

 

[Lamb]

It's looking like they caught some dead people voting again? LOL

 

[Andrew]

It's looking like they caught some dead people voting again? LOL

I expected TX to stay red but I looked up my moms voter info just to make sure since robots kept calling my dad reminding her to vote.

The cheating is so obvious it makes me want to watch the movie "Black Sheep" again lol

 

[tango]

It's looking like they caught some dead people voting again? LOL

I heard that in Wisconsin they found more votes were cast than there were registered voters. Add to the issue of the apparent dirty play in Michigan and it makes me wonder what happens in a situation like that. If you have more votes than voters then logically you have to regard the entire count as worthless but running another election seems like a logistical disaster in the making.

 

[Forgiven1]

I expected TX to stay red but I looked up my moms voter info just to make sure since robots kept calling my dad reminding her to vote.

The cheating is so obvious it makes me want to watch the movie "Black Sheep" again lol

Texas remained Red this election.

 

[tango]

Looks like Beijing has been called for Biden...

News Outlets Now Calling Beijing For Biden

BEIJING—Early on Election Day, news outlets are already reporting that all precincts in Beijing China have been called for Democrat Joe Biden. CNN has assured the public that the voting was free and fair and that the will of the people in the People's Republic of China was loud and clear.

babylonbee.com

 

[hedrick]

Actually the electoral votes so far are consistent with 270towin's concensus, assuming PA goes to Biden. We'll need to wait until they're all in to do a detailed comparison.

 

[hedrick]

I heard that in Wisconsin they found more votes were cast than there were registered voters. Add to the issue of the apparent dirty play in Michigan and it makes me wonder what happens in a situation like that. If you have more votes than voters then logically you have to regard the entire count as worthless but running another election seems like a logistical disaster in the making.

Sorry. Disinformation at work. https://www.politifact.com/factchec...consin-doesnt-have-more-ballots-cast-registe/

 

[Andrew]

Texas remained Red this election.

Of course, I just worded it weird

 

[tango]

Sorry. Disinformation at work. https://www.politifact.com/factchec...consin-doesnt-have-more-ballots-cast-registe/

Yep, looks like you're right - we can scratch the Wisconsin issue.

Michigan still looks like it's a potential problem there - that was based on a Project Veritas report they had a USPS whistleblower talking about being told to manually postmark ballots with the previous day's date.

 

[hedrick]

Yep, looks like you're right - we can scratch the Wisconsin issue.

Michigan still looks like it's a potential problem there - that was based on a Project Veritas report they had a USPS whistleblower talking about being told to manually postmark ballots with the previous day's date.

I'd like to see more information. Remember, in some locations there were big backlogs. If mail wasn't postmarked the same day it was mailed, they might need to postmark it the previous day. We do know that a fair amount of mail didn't get there when it should have, and it appears that some might even have been lost. https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/11/03/election-ballot-delays-usps/

 

[hedrick]

It turns out that Michigan accepts ballots up to a certain time. The postmark doesn’t matter. Thus this would have been an odd kind of fraud. https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/nov/05/allegations-usps-election-fraud-michigan-dont-hold/

 

[hedrick]

The post office has reported separating out ballots and delivering them specially. i think that’s a good thing if you believe all votes should count.

 

[Lamb]

I heard that in Wisconsin they found more votes were cast than there were registered voters. Add to the issue of the apparent dirty play in Michigan and it makes me wonder what happens in a situation like that. If you have more votes than voters then logically you have to regard the entire count as worthless but running another election seems like a logistical disaster in the making.

I saw memes about this and other states but they were using old data and didn't realize that those states were accepting voter registration until late October. Probably a lot of web pages weren't updated in time after that to reflect accurately how many registered voters each state has now.

 

[hedrick]

I saw memes about this and other states but they were using old data and didn't realize that those states were accepting voter registration until late October. Probably a lot of web pages weren't updated in time after that to reflect accurately how many registered voters each state has now.

That's the charitable explanation. Might even be true in some cases. But the Russian disinformation hasn't gone away. It's not going to stop with Trump's defeat. They still want to weaken the US any way they can, by sowing discord and distrust. Then we have people like Bannon and QAnon. I think our biggest problem as a nation now is getting people to be careful about what they believe.

 

[Lamb]

That's the charitable explanation. Might even be true in some cases. But the Russian disinformation hasn't gone away. It's not going to stop with Trump's defeat. They still want to weaken the US any way they can, by sowing discord and distrust. Then we have people like Bannon and QAnon. I think our biggest problem as a nation now is getting people to be careful about what they believe.

Russia has nothing to do with outdated web data that anyone can clearly search.

 

[hedrick]

Russia has nothing to do with outdated web data that anyone can clearly search.

No, but posting it as if it were current could be part of a smart disinformation campaign. Good lies use as much of the truth as possible.

 

[tango]

It turns out that Michigan accepts ballots up to a certain time. The postmark doesn’t matter. Thus this would have been an odd kind of fraud. https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/nov/05/allegations-usps-election-fraud-michigan-dont-hold/

This one is curious. The issue with Wisconsin makes at least some sense, if current numbers and old numbers got mixed up. But if your article is accurate and the postmark issue in Michigan is a total non-event it makes no sense to even try to create a stir about it. The Politifact article mentions a USPS worker saying something along the lines of "you could lose your job for that", referring to backdating postmarks, as if that were anything solid to indicate it couldn't happen.

If Michigan requires ballots to be in the hands of election officials by election day but it's known that there have been issues with postal delays, it leaves me wondering about the possibility that backdating a postmark might bolster a potential court case if one side tries to force late-arriving ballots to count. It would seem more likely that eliminating late-arriving postal votes would benefit Trump but I'd expect both sides to bring litigation if they thought it would help them win.

 

[hedrick]

Incidentally, the totals being reported from PA also don’t include anything arriving after Election Day. there was another Veritas claim about PA. It will also be irrelevant. That fact has been obvious for a while.

The late ballots are counted, but aren’t in the total we’re seeing. Since Biden is going to win those, the late ballots aren’t worth arguing over.

 

[tango]

Incidentally, the totals being reported from PA also don’t include anything arriving after Election Day. there was another Veritas claim about PA. It will also be irrelevant. That fact has been obvious for a while.

The late ballots are counted, but aren’t in the total we’re seeing. Since Biden is going to win those, the late ballots aren’t worth arguing over.

I thought the courts ruled that ballots could arrive up to three days after election day in PA, as long as they were postmarked by November 3? It's not something I'm a great expert in, given I don't get a say either way.