Yosefs life accounted

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A topical discussion for those who enjoy critical study along doctrinal lines.
Far as I can see there is quite an inordinate focused amount of commentary from internet sources that falsely accuses yosefs immediate brothers of selling him into slavery.
From studying with a form of exegesis I found no such thing occuring.

Pertaining to the plain meaning first. All questions and suggestions of alternative scenarios concerning the account of yosefs Life are welcome.

Blessings Always

 

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https://www.jfedgmw.org/jewish-life/vayeshev-the-sale-of-joseph#:~:text=Whilst they were doing this,bought Joseph from the Ishmaelites.


A topical discussion for those who enjoy critical study along doctrinal lines.
Far as I can see there is quite a large amount of commentary that falsely accuses yosefs immediate brothers of selling him into slavery.
From a studying with a form of exegesis I found no such thing occuring.

Pertaining to the plain meaning first. All questions and suggestions of alternative scenarios concerning the account of yosefs Life are welcome.

Blessings Always

[ "Ramban then shows that the Torah often attributes a deed, sometimes to its ultimate author and at others to its intermediary or direct commissioner. Thus Moses is sometimes credited as in (Deut. 34:12): the great terror Moses wrought in the eyes of all Israel,and, at others, God, as in (Duet 11:7): all the great work God had wrought. Similarly, here, the contradiction between: the Medanites sold him into Egypt and Potiphar bought him from the hand of the Ishmaelites is solved by remembering that sometimes a deed is attributed to its immediate and direct cause, and sometimes, to its more remote, indirect one. Ibn Ezra wishes to regard the Midianites and Ishmaelites as identical. But irrespective of the difference between these commentators, they have this in common: The brothers who are not mentioned in our text at all are regarded as the understood subject: they drew Joseph out of the pit, and they sold Joseph.

This interpretation would seem to be borne out by Joseph's words, when he revealed his identity to his brethren: I am Joseph your brother whom you sold into Egypt. But this approach raises many difficulties. First, it leaves unexplained how Reuben remained ignorant of the sale, though he no doubt did his best to save Joseph and presumably kept watch on his brothers. But was he at the time of the sale? Admittedly, the Midrash states he was engaged otherwise (ministering to his father, subjecting himself to penance for his relations with his father's concubine), but this is forced. Again it leaves unexplained why the brothers did not answer him when stunned, he said: the child is not; and as for me wither shall I go? Their silence indicates that they were similarly stunned. That the brothers considered him really dead seems to be indicated from a number of texts, besides the fact that otherwise they would presumably have made an effort to trace him: e.g: the one is not (42:13, 32). It is obvious that this phrase implied he was dead. Cf.: 44:20: We said unto my lord, we have an old father and a child of his old age, and his brother is dead. Otherwise how would Judah have dared to make such a statement?

When amongst themselves the brothers explicitly indicated their conviction he was dead: but verily we are guilty … did not I tell you, sin not with the child but you did not listen, therefore also his blood is required (42:22). ]



The above excerpt in brackets is from the link provided in the first post for further study.

Blessings Always in your walk

 

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Question for all readers:
Do you hear and agree with the exegesis in the italic second block?

An extract from benno jacob.
[ " But the main question is how does this new interpretation affect the significance of the story as a whole. To this, Benno Jacob replies:

The tribes had not been guilty of the sin of stealing a man and selling him (Ex.21:12-18) punishable by death and for which there was no atonement, being tantamount to murder.

God had contrived matters that their design was not implemented by them. Joseph was sold by strangers. Had it been by his brothers, it would not have been a permanent sale, since the sale by a Jew, whether to a heathen or another Jew is redeemable. But Joseph was sold by heathens to heathens – into eternal slavery. This is the force of the emphasis in the text that Potiphar, an Egyptian bought him from the hand of the Ishmaelites. In spite of all this, the almighty redeemed him from Egyptian slavery, a foretaste of what was to happen to all Israel, all the tribes of Jacob in Egypt in the house of bondage, from which the Lord would bring them out from slavery to freedom. "]

 

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Question for all readers:
Do you hear and agree with the exegesis in the italic second block?

An extract from benno jacob.
[ " But the main question is how does this new interpretation affect the significance of the story as a whole. To this, Benno Jacob replies:

The tribes had not been guilty of the sin of stealing a man and selling him (Ex.21:12-18) punishable by death and for which there was no atonement, being tantamount to murder.

God had contrived matters that their design was not implemented by them. Joseph was sold by strangers. Had it been by his brothers, it would not have been a permanent sale, since the sale by a Jew, whether to a heathen or another Jew is redeemable. But Joseph was sold by heathens to heathens – into eternal slavery. This is the force of the emphasis in the text that Potiphar, an Egyptian bought him from the hand of the Ishmaelites. In spite of all this, the almighty redeemed him from Egyptian slavery, a foretaste of what was to happen to all Israel, all the tribes of Jacob in Egypt in the house of bondage, from which the Lord would bring them out from slavery to freedom. "]

Another action tantamount to murder is slander.

 

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I wonder if anyone studying to show themselves approved has found a numerical parallel in peices of silver offered in yosefs account combined with the number of silver peices given for the bride rebekah totaling 120. ?

יח וַיָּבֹא יַעֲקֹב שָׁלֵם עִיר שְׁכֶם, אֲשֶׁר בְּאֶרֶץ כְּנַעַן, בְּבֹאוֹ, מִפַּדַּן אֲרָם; וַיִּחַן, אֶת-פְּנֵי הָעִיר.	18 And Jacob came in peace to the city of Shechem, which is in the land of Canaan, when he came from Paddan-aram; and encamped before the city.
יט וַיִּקֶן אֶת-חֶלְקַת הַשָּׂדֶה, אֲשֶׁר נָטָה-שָׁם אָהֳלוֹ, מִיַּד בְּנֵי-חֲמוֹר, אֲבִי שְׁכֶם--בְּמֵאָה, קְשִׂיטָה.	19 And he bought the parcel of ground, where he had spread his tent, at the hand of the children of Hamor, Shechem's father, for a hundred pieces of money.
כ וַיַּצֶּב-שָׁם, מִזְבֵּחַ; וַיִּקְרָא-לוֹ--אֵל, אֱלֹהֵי יִשְׂרָאֵל. {ס}	20 And he erected there an altar, and called it El-elohe-Israe

 

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For those reading and pondering about yosefs life in comparison to the brother he hadn't met till discovering his mother's death after being sold to egypt.

Consider the name given yosefs younger brother by their mother.
"Son of my mourning", or "son of my pain".

The question is why would a mother be mourning.
And the simplest answer I find is that she thought she had lost her first born son and was mourning with her husband till the birth of her second child.
Yet ya'akov changed the name of his youngest son from ben'oni to ben'yamin.
With this action I wonder if ya'akok is declaring an end of mourning for yosef.?

The Benoni

www.chabad.org

Blessings Always

 

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I wonder if anyone here has ever compared the parable of the prodigal son to yosef and ben'yamin.

 

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Question for all readers:
Do you hear and agree with the exegesis in the italic second block?

An extract from benno jacob.
[ " But the main question is how does this new interpretation affect the significance of the story as a whole. To this, Benno Jacob replies:

The tribes had not been guilty of the sin of stealing a man and selling him (Ex.21:12-18) punishable by death and for which there was no atonement, being tantamount to murder.

God had contrived matters that their design was not implemented by them. Joseph was sold by strangers. Had it been by his brothers, it would not have been a permanent sale, since the sale by a Jew, whether to a heathen or another Jew is redeemable. But Joseph was sold by heathens to heathens – into eternal slavery. This is the force of the emphasis in the text that Potiphar, an Egyptian bought him from the hand of the Ishmaelites. In spite of all this, the almighty redeemed him from Egyptian slavery, a foretaste of what was to happen to all Israel, all the tribes of Jacob in Egypt in the house of bondage, from which the Lord would bring them out from slavery to freedom. "]

טז וְגֹנֵב אִישׁ וּמְכָרוֹ וְנִמְצָא בְיָדוֹ, מוֹת יוּמָת. {ס}

16 And he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death.

 

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I wonder if anyone here has ever compared the parable of the prodigal son to yosef and ben'yamin.

Is the younger brother benjamin?

[ Again Yeshua said, “A man had two sons. 12 The younger of them said to his father, ‘Father, give me the share of the estate that will be mine.’ So the father divided the property between them. 13 As soon as he could convert his share into cash, the younger son left home and went off to a distant country, where he squandered his money in reckless living. 14 But after he had spent it all, a severe famine arose throughout that country, and he began to feel the pinch.

15 “So he went and attached himself to one of the citizens of that country, who sent him into his fields to feed pigs. 16 He longed to fill his stomach with the carob pods the pigs were eating, but no one gave him any.

17 “At last he came to his senses and said, ‘Any number of my father’s hired workers have food to spare; and here I am, starving to death! 18 I’m going to get up and go back to my father and say to him, “Father, I have sinned against Heaven and against you; 19 I am no longer worthy to be called your son; treat me like one of your hired workers.” ’ 20 So he got up and started back to his father.

“But while he was still a long way off, his father saw him and was moved with pity. He ran and threw his arms around him and kissed him warmly. 21 His son said to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against Heaven and against you; I am no longer worthy to be called your son — ’ 22 but his father said to his slaves, ‘Quick, bring out a robe, the best one, and put it on him; and put a ring on his finger and shoes on his feet; 23 and bring the calf that has been fattened up, and kill it. Let’s eat and have a celebration! 24 For this son of mine was dead, but now he’s alive again! He was lost, but now he has been found!’ And they began celebrating.

25 “Now his older son was in the field. As he came close to the house, he heard music and dancing. 26 So he called one of the servants and asked, ‘What’s going on?’ 27 The servant told him, ‘Your brother has come back, and your father has slaughtered the calf that was fattened up, because he has gotten him back safe and sound.’ 28 But the older son became angry and refused to go inside.

“So his father came out and pleaded with him. 29 ‘Look,’ the son answered, ‘I have worked for you all these years, and I have never disobeyed your orders. But you have never even given me a young goat, so that I could celebrate with my friends. 30 Yet this son of yours comes, who squandered your property with prostitutes, and for him you slaughter the fattened calf!’ 31 ‘Son, you are always with me,’ said the father, ‘and everything I have is yours. 32 We had to celebrate and rejoice, because this brother of yours was dead but has come back to life — he was lost but has been found.’” ]

 

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The brothers of yosef may have plotted to sell a commodity. Yet The fact that Reuben returned from the pit after finding it empty and reporting to his brethren council with sincere concern is adequate proof of ignorance and guiltlessness on the part of the israelite brethren.
They were plotting while yosef was stole away by another son of abraham.


Philippians 4:8
[" In conclusion, brothers(of yosef),focus your thoughts on what is true, noble, righteous, pure, lovable or admirable, on some virtue or on something

 

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For those reading and pondering about yosefs life in comparison to the brother he hadn't met till discovering his mother's death after being sold to egypt.
Genesis 41

Consider the name given yosefs younger brother by their mother.
"Son of my mourning", or "son of my pain".

The question is why would a mother be mourning.
And the simplest answer I find is that she thought she had lost her first born son and was mourning with her husband till the birth of her second child.
Yet ya'akov changed the name of his youngest son from ben'oni to ben'yamin.
With this action I wonder if ya'akok is declaring an end of mourning for yosef.?

The Benoni

www.chabad.org

Blessings Always

The number of yammin(days) of mourning are 7.
Does anyone reading and studying here find a parallel between mourning and dreams interpreted by yosef compared to his mother's death and younger siblings birth?
Personally I find the coicidence to be revealing.
Genesis 41

Blessings Always