PETER AND PAUL AND THE KINGDOM

[Doug]

Peter and Paul preached different kingdoms.

The twelve preached the kingdom gospel of the earthly Davidic kingdom (Matthew 4:23 Luke 9:2 Luke 9:6).

Paul spoke of a heavenly kingdom (2 Timothy 4:18).

 

[atpollard]

The twelve preached the kingdom gospel of the earthly Davidic kingdom (Matthew 4:23 Luke 9:2 Luke 9:6).

This is not quite true.
Let’s examine Matthew 4:23 as a starting point.
The verse itself says: ”Jesus was going throughout all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues and proclaiming the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every kind of disease and every kind of sickness among the people.”

So the first point is that JESUS was doing the preaching and not the Twelve in that verse.

Here is the last few verses of Matthew 4 and the first few verses of Matthew 5 to see how events and the message unfold ...

[Mat 4:23-25 NASB]
23 Jesus was going throughout all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues and proclaiming the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every kind of disease and every kind of sickness among the people.
24 The news about Him spread throughout all Syria; and they brought to Him all who were ill, those suffering with various diseases and pains, demoniacs, epileptics, paralytics; and He healed them. 25 Large crowds followed Him from Galilee and [the] Decapolis and Jerusalem and Judea and [from] beyond the Jordan.

[Mat 5:1-12 NASB]
1 When Jesus saw the crowds, He went up on the mountain; and after He sat down, His disciples came to Him. 2 He opened His mouth and [began] to teach them, saying,
3 "Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4 "Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted.
5 "Blessed are the gentle, for they shall inherit the earth.
6 "Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied.
7 "Blessed are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy.
8 "Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.
9 "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.
10 "Blessed are those who have been persecuted for the sake of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
11 "Blessed are you when [people] insult you and persecute you, and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me. 12 "Rejoice and be glad, for your reward in heaven is great; for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

I think that the people may have had a suspicion that Jesus was talking about something bigger than an earthly Davidic kingdom.

 

[Doug]

So the first point is that JESUS was doing the preaching and not the Twelve in that verse.

Jesus sent the twelve to preach the gospel as well as in Luke 9:6

 

[atpollard]

Jesus sent the twelve to preach the gospel as well as in Luke 9:6

Ok, let’s look at Luke as well.

[Luke 9:1-6 NASB] 1 And He called the twelve together, and gave them power and authority over all the demons and to heal diseases. 2 And He sent them out to proclaim the kingdom of God and to perform healing. 3 And He said to them, "Take nothing for [your] journey, neither a staff, nor a bag, nor bread, nor money; and do not [even] have two tunics apiece. 4 "Whatever house you enter, stay there until you leave that city. 5 "And as for those who do not receive you, as you go out from that city, shake the dust off your feet as a testimony against them." 6 Departing, they [began] going throughout the villages, preaching the gospel and healing everywhere.

First we should review your original claim:

Peter and Paul preached different kingdoms.
The twelve preached the kingdom gospel of the earthly Davidic kingdom (Matthew 4:23, Luke 9:2, Luke 9:6).

I see nothing about a Davidic kingdom in Luke 9.

• Luke 9:2 speaks of the “Kingdom of God”
• Luke 9:6 speaks of “the gospel”

There is no reference to a “kingdom gospel of the earthly Davidic kingdom” in Luke and every reason to believe the gospel (“good news”) and the “kingdom of God” they spoke of was the same message that Jesus presented in Matthew 4 and 5.

 

[Doug]

Ok, let’s look at Luke as well.

[Luke 9:1-6 NASB] 1 And He called the twelve together, and gave them power and authority over all the demons and to heal diseases. 2 And He sent them out to proclaim the kingdom of God and to perform healing. 3 And He said to them, "Take nothing for [your] journey, neither a staff, nor a bag, nor bread, nor money; and do not [even] have two tunics apiece. 4 "Whatever house you enter, stay there until you leave that city. 5 "And as for those who do not receive you, as you go out from that city, shake the dust off your feet as a testimony against them." 6 Departing, they [began] going throughout the villages, preaching the gospel and healing everywhere.

First we should review your original claim:


I see nothing about a Davidic kingdom in Luke 9.

• Luke 9:2 speaks of the “Kingdom of God”
• Luke 9:6 speaks of “the gospel”

There is no reference to a “kingdom gospel of the earthly Davidic kingdom” in Luke and every reason to believe the gospel (“good news”) and the “kingdom of God” they spoke of was the same message that Jesus presented in Matthew 4 and 5.

Jesus came to confirm the promises to Israel in Romans 15:8.
Israel was promised the land and an earthly kingdom.
The kingdom of God includes the earthly kingdom.

 

[atpollard]

Jesus came to confirm the promises to Israel in Romans 15:8.
Israel was promised the land and an earthly kingdom.
The kingdom of God includes the earthly kingdom.

Come on now.
Even YOU can not argue that the Apostles preached their Gospel Message from the book of Romans.

However, I am willing to humor you.
Where is the scripture that teaches “The kingdom of God includes the earthly kingdom”?
Post the verses and I will examine them.

 

[Doug]

Come on now.
Even YOU can not argue that the Apostles preached their Gospel Message from the book of Romans.

However, I am willing to humor you.
Where is the scripture that teaches “The kingdom of God includes the earthly kingdom”?
Post the verses and I will examine them.

It is not that simplistic, but here is a verse:
1 Chronicles 29:11 Thine, O LORD is the greatness, and the power, and the glory, and the victory, and the majesty: for all that is in the heaven and in the earth is thine; thine is the kingdom, O LORD, and thou art exalted as head above all.

Note the kingdom encompasses heaven and earth