Was the blood moon experience a disappointment?

[Lamb]

I have no problem with this, God will guide everyone but not everyone will hear His voice simply because they are not listening.

God doesn't always use some small voice as we look to the Old Testament and see how God pretty much used means to prove a point and force people to listen. He used a donkey even and that wasn't quiet

 

[Hammster]

Actually, when we look at scripture, the times God's actually spoke to His people was very limited.

 

[Lamb]

Actually, when we look at scripture, the times God's actually spoke to His people was very limited.

When you think of all the years covered in both Old and New Testament you are absolutely correct!

 

[Brighten04]

Actually, when we look at scripture, the times God's actually spoke to His people was very limited.

When you think of all the years covered in both Old and New Testament you are absolutely correct!

Consider the fact that all we read in scripture is not all there was. For instance, Elijah cried to God that he was the only one left of the prophets. God corrected him saying to him that He had seven thousand left. So just because we do not have their stories written down in scripture does not mean that our Father did not speak to them as we see in scripture that He spoke to Elijah. And today under grace with the Holy One dwelling within us, or should I say the Holy Ghost dwelling in us, we should be hearing Him more than anybody. I think it is just the matter that we have been taught that the Holy Spirit does not speak any more. I believe that is error and the reason there is so much disilusion with the Church these days. Jesus told us that the Holy Ghost would speak to us.

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

 

[Hammster]

Consider the fact that all we read in scripture is not all there was. For instance, Elijah cried to God that he was the only one left of the prophets. God corrected him saying to him that He had seven thousand left. So just because we do not have their stories written down in scripture does not mean that our Father did not speak to them as we see in scripture that He spoke to Elijah. And today under grace with the Holy One dwelling within us, or should I say the Holy Ghost dwelling in us, we should be hearing Him more than anybody. I think it is just the matter that we have been taught that the Holy Spirit does not speak any more. I believe that is error and the reason there is so much disilusion with the Church these days. Jesus told us that the Holy Ghost would speak to us.

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

God had 7000 prophets. Prophets proclaimed to the people what God said. And there was a test for prophets.

So to equate that with people who claim God speaks audibly to them, we need to hear what they have to say and to see if they pass the test of a prophet.

 

[Brighten04]

God had 7000 prophets. Prophets proclaimed to the people what God said. And there was a test for prophets.

So to equate that with people who claim God speaks audibly to them, we need to hear what they have to say and to see if they pass the test of a prophet.

Of course we must test everything by the scripture. And people do not hear audibly from the outside so much as they hear from within the Holy Spirit speaking. I don't think there are many people claiming to hear the audible "Out of the air" voice of God today but I do believe people do have dreams and visions as the Word says we will in the last days.And I believe what Jesus said that the Holy Spirit speaks to us. So much has been lost because of wrong teaching. And people do not hold the false prophets accountable when their prophecies do not come to pass. They should lose all credibility if what they say does not happen. As for watching the signs that Jesus told us to watch for, I think we should be doing that. IMHO John Hagee should never be able to sell another book. But that is mho.

 

[Hammster]

The discussion is about actually hearing God's voice.

 

[Brighten04]

The discussion is about actually hearing God's voice.

Do you not consider the voice of the Holy Spirit to be the voice of God?

 

[tango]

Of course it has to line up with scripture or it is not of God but lets look at that. If I get a vision of say nuclear war does that line up? The answer is yes but of course the bible never uses those words but what it describes in certain places will line it up. Have to be careful not only of being misled but also over thinking it and not accepting what is there

This is part of the problem with lots of claims of what's coming. It's easy to see things that could refer to nuclear war in Scripture but to then attempt to map a specific current event onto that passage in Scripture requires more than just "the Bible says this will happen... therefore this event foretells what the Bible says". Hence much of the discussion over the recent blood moon - nobody disputes the presence of numerous references to the moon turning to blood in Scripture but that doesn't mean that any one particular blood moon is significant. There must have been hundreds of lunar eclipses since the Bible was first written so to make the claim that this blood moon is significant while the other untold blood moons were not requires some additional evidence. Otherwise we could see every single lunar eclipse as being an omen of pending doom.

 

[tango]

Of course we must test everything by the scripture. And people do not hear audibly from the outside so much as they hear from within the Holy Spirit speaking. I don't think there are many people claiming to hear the audible "Out of the air" voice of God today but I do believe people do have dreams and visions as the Word says we will in the last days.And I believe what Jesus said that the Holy Spirit speaks to us. So much has been lost because of wrong teaching. And people do not hold the false prophets accountable when their prophecies do not come to pass. They should lose all credibility if what they say does not happen. As for watching the signs that Jesus told us to watch for, I think we should be doing that. IMHO John Hagee should never be able to sell another book. But that is mho.

Holding prophets accountable is something that should be done. Sadly there are some groups out there that seem to think that prophecy doesn't have to be entirely accurate any more. The brutal truth is that if I speak of something in the future and that something does not come to pass then what I spoke was not of God. In the NT model we don't get executed for getting it wrong the way the OT prophets did, but at the same time we should speak our words in humility. The booming voice proclaiming "Thus saith the Lord" should perhaps be replaced with a more normal voice and a message more along the lines of "I think God might be saying that we should...". As Paul wrote to the Corinthians, "let two or three speak and let the others judge".

 

[MoreCoffee]

Holding prophets accountable is something that should be done. Sadly there are some groups out there that seem to think that prophecy doesn't have to be entirely accurate any more. The brutal truth is that if I speak of something in the future and that something does not come to pass then what I spoke was not of God. In the NT model we don't get executed for getting it wrong the way the OT prophets did, but at the same time we should speak our words in humility. The booming voice proclaiming "Thus saith the Lord" should perhaps be replaced with a more normal voice and a message more along the lines of "I think God might be saying that we should...". As Paul wrote to the Corinthians, "let two or three speak and let the others judge".

Under the old covenant one could use the law of the land to deal with fake prophets but today's legal systems rightly prevent people from stoning the fakes or killing by other means. I guess our only option under the new covenant is to publicly expose their shameful lies.

 

[Hammster]

Do you not consider the voice of the Holy Spirit to be the voice of God?

Again, I'm talking about an audible voice. So this question is not relevant.

 

[Brighten04]

Again, I'm talking about an audible voice. So this question is not relevant.

Well if you don't answer the question, I will just assume.But you don't have to answer if you don't want to. But I pray for you that you will soon hear the voice of our Father through the Holy Spirit and that you will recognize His voice. I pray also that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him., that you rapidly grow from faith to more faith, from glory to more glory. In the name of Jesus Amen

 

[Hammster]

Well if you don't answer the question, I will just assume.But you don't have to answer if you don't want to. But I pray for you that you will soon hear the voice of our Father through the Holy Spirit and that you will recognize His voice. I pray also that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him., that you rapidly grow from faith to more faith, from glory to more glory. In the name of Jesus Amen

I hear His voice. I open my bible and read it.

 

[Brighten04]

I hear His voice. I open my bible and read it.

Great! Keep doing that.

 

[Lamb]

I hear His voice. I open my bible and read it.

Yep, that's how God has chosen to speak to us (and we know it to be Him), through His Word and we find that in scriptures

 

[psalms 91]

Yes, that is one of many ways

 

[Brighten04]

Yes, that is one of many ways

Amen! Praise God for the scriptures.Some hear no other way.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Yep, that's how God has chosen to speak to us (and we know it to be Him), through His Word and we find that in scriptures

We "know it is God's voice" only because we accept the holy scriptures handed down to us by the Church. Left to non-traditional methods we'd have hundreds of canons rather than a few. But even with tradition it seems that we cannot reach complete agreement. I wonder if we ever will.

 

[tango]

Under the old covenant one could use the law of the land to deal with fake prophets but today's legal systems rightly prevent people from stoning the fakes or killing by other means. I guess our only option under the new covenant is to publicly expose their shameful lies.

Rightly or wrongly, if people want to claim to speak for God and act as if they are above being questioned or tested I'm not sure it's relevant to say whether it's right that the legal system protects them.

Either way if someone relentlessly gives false prophecies they need to be named and exposed. It needs to be done objectively, although sadly there are sites and organisations out there who continue to pump out things that claim to be prophetic that as far as I can tell are anything but.