The Old Covenant and the New Covenant are the same Law..

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It was always God intention that the Law be written in the heart. Compare..

Ezekiel 11:19-20 King James Version (KJV)
19 And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:
20 That they may walk in my statutes, and keep mine ordinances, and do them: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God.

Ezekiel 36:26-27 King James Version (KJV)
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

Jeremiah 31:33 King James Version (KJV)
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Hebrews 8:10 King James Version (KJV)
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
 

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Here is a good explanation I came across..."Many assume that, because Jesus Christ instituted the New Covenant, God's laws are thereby made obsolete. They lean on this argument to ignore His commandments. But what does Jesus Himself say?....

“Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill [actually ‘fill to the full,’ meaning fully explain or fully express]. For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away [and they clearly haven’t passed away], one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.

“Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven” (Matthew 5:17-19)....

Notice how Hebrews 10:16-17 summarizes the New Covenant: “ ‘This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.’ Then He adds, ‘Their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.’” This is perfectly consistent with Christ’s words. God’s laws aren’t annulled under the New Covenant; they are written into our hearts and minds so we might obey Him better.

A new covenant wasn’t needed because the laws included in the Old Covenant were inadequate or faulty. Rather, the New Covenant was needed because, as Hebrews 8:8 tells us, “God found fault with the people . . .” ...The fault was in the nature of the people themselves (Hebrews 8:7-9)—the fact that human beings are hostile to God’s laws rather than spiritually minded and willing to obey (see Romans 8:5-8).

What people need to have changed is their heart, not the laws that define sin—"
God's Law and the New Covenant
 

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So question if we are still under law who has to keep it and who don't? Also can I stone someone today for not keeping the sabbath? If me and a nother man get in a fight and one of our wives intervene and grabs one of us below the belt are we still supposed to cut of there hand?

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Also when Jesus said fullfill it dose not mean to explain the law. He was literally going to fullfill what Israel could not keeping the law.

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Also when Jesus said fullfill it dose not mean to explain the law. He was literally going to fullfill what Israel could not keeping the law.

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But you have to keep in mind, that the Law is the Ten Commandments, the tablets of stone now written in the heart and put in our mind.
 

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Jesus came to forgive...forgive us sinners who cannot perfectly obey God's Law.

So why do the 10 Commandments still stand? God doesn't NEED us to follow them to have salvation since Christ won that for us at the cross. We are saved by grace through faith and not by works. We can't live the law for salvation otherwise we're rejecting Jesus and His work on the cross for the forgiveness of our sins.

We live by the 10 Commandments because God's Law is holy and good and by doing so we treat God and our neighbors with love.
 

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But you have to keep in mind, that the Law is the Ten Commandments, the tablets of stone now written in the heart and put in our mind.
So then we must still keep the law? Also the law was written to jews not gentiles:

For all who have sinned without the Law will also perish without the Law, and all who have sinned under the Law will be judged by the Law; for it is not the hearers of the Law who are just before God, but the doers of the Law will be justified. For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves,
Romans 2:12‭-‬14

Gentiles did not have have or did not have to keep the law only jews did. The law was to Israel. So do we have to keep the law still? and if so it's only to jews.



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There are contradictions found in the three versions of the Ten Commandments contained in the Bible (Exodus 34:1-28, Exodus 20:1-17, Deuteronomy 5:1-21). How can all three versions be true if they are not the same? Exodus 34, the oldest version at about 950 BC, is from the pen of the “J” or Jahwist writer and is not one of which many have ever heard. The final commandment in this earliest version reads “You shall not boil a kid in its mother’s milk.” Why, we are led to wonder, was this original set of Ten Commandments rejected or replaced? The second version Exodus 20, from about 850 BC, was from the pen of the “E” or Elohist writer, but was greatly expanded about 560 BC by a group of people called the “P” or priestly writers. Did these writers, who added so much to the entire body of the Jewish Scriptures, do so because they judged the original version to be so woefully inadequate that it required major additions and editing? Does one alter or tamper with what one believes to be “The Word of God?” The third version, Deuteronomy 5 in about 625 BC, was from the pen of the “D” or Deuteronomic writers composed somewhere between the original writing of Exodus 20 and the expansion done on that same text some 400 or so years later. For example, the version in Deuteronomy did not offer as the reason the Sabbath must be observed the fact that God rested on the Sabbath, for the version of that seven day creation story had not yet been written. So this author states that the Sabbath is to be observed because the people of Israel must remember that they were once slaves in Egypt and even slaves must have a day of rest. Which of these versions of the Ten Commandments, we might ask, can qualify as “The Word of God?”

Even, aside from all that, Jesus replaced the ten commandments with just two.
 

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Jesus came to forgive...forgive us sinners who cannot perfectly obey God's Law.

So why do the 10 Commandments still stand? God doesn't NEED us to follow them to have salvation since Christ won that for us at the cross. We are saved by grace through faith and not by works. We can't live the law for salvation otherwise we're rejecting Jesus and His work on the cross for the forgiveness of our sins.

We live by the 10 Commandments because God's Law is holy and good and by doing so we treat God and our neighbors with love.
So if we are forgiven, its ok to go back to the bondage of sin. I don't think Gods Word teaches that..

Hebrews 10:26-30 King James Version (KJV)
26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
 

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So if we are forgiven, its ok to go back to the bondage of sin. I don't think Gods Word teaches that..

Hebrews 10:26-30 King James Version (KJV)
26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.

Following the Law that demands we be sinless does not give us forgiveness. Only Jesus' death and resurrection has provided that salvation for us. We strive to not sin because it shows love for God and our neighbor.
 
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