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Hey Josiah, does this sound true to you? It sounds extreme, even as one who dislikes the progressive politics.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019...s-progressive-adventurism-policy-and-politics



I LOVE California.... and can't image living anywhere else

I LOVE the nature..... From incredibly beautiful forests (with the oldest trees living) to vast deserts, from the highest spot in the continential USA to the lowest, to majestic mountains to the longest (and most beautiful) coastline in the continential USA. You can be where no one has been before and you'll never see another human to a place with 50,000 all jammed into one spot. You can ski in the morning and surf in the afternoon. There are some of the worlds best universities here.... the Arts thrive here as the world's center for film (and to a great extent for music)... live theatre is more popular here than in New York or London (in spite of not being as well known for that)... good sports.... good commerical..... And the world has come here, making for wonderful and rich diversity (and some GREAT restaurants; every food of the world can be found here). Consider Big Sur..... the Golden Gate Bridge.... Yosemite. And Disneyland and Universal Studios. I love it here!


But there is a flip side. WAY too many have come to live here; crowds are often a big factor of life. And the cities have grown MUCH faster than the transportation infastructure (we lost pace in the 1970's and it's only gotten worse). The city of LA for example has gained well over one million residents without building even one mile of additional roads). And all this has made land absurdly expensive. My beloved and I are shopping for a new house... and the cheapest home our realtor has shown us is $739,000. And MOST of that price is the value of the land (and INCREDIBLE taxes and fees charged to builders who just pass it on to the buyer - in perpetuity). And we have among the highest gas taxes (and among the worse roads!), sales taxes, business taxes (THE highest there, California HATES business and does everything it can to force it out), and income taxes. All at the top or near the top for the USA.

But the worse is the government. I'm far from alone in calling my beloved state, "The People's Republic of California." It is a ONE PARTY STATE. There is no opposition. There is no balance. There is no accountabiltiy. The Democrats (and VERY liberal ones at that) RUN things (entirely unchallenged) - the Courts, the Legislature, the governorship. Nearly all Mayors in California are uber-liberal Democrats, too. And all the newspapers here are simply puppets of the Democrat Party (fortunately, they don't have the influence that they once did; they are SO biased that many don't read them anymore - even Democrats). Our new Governor (who has publicly MOCKED Christianity) simply ignors the Law whenever he wants to - in spite of his oath to uphold the law, but if he disagrees with it, he simply says "It will not be enforced." And we passed a proposition to fix our roads and authorized a gas tax increase but the money could ONLY be used for roads - that's the LAW - but he said that's bad for global warming so the money will be used for mass transit instead. NO ONE holds him accountable because there is no other side....the Press is a puppet of the Party and there is no other political party with any voice.

In this one party state... where there is no accountability or opposite and where the Rule of Law is irrelevant because all the Courts are liberals appointed by Democrats... there is also a sense that California is not American. It's big, some 40 million, and the liberals in California often have an attitude that we are a separate country - quite embarrassed by the USA; California often does (or at least wants to do) it's own thing - because we are smarter than Americans and big enough to snub our noses at Washington. There is at times a kind of anti-patriotism here. NOW... not everyone buys into this. I mean Trump got SOME votes here! And I think there is one consevative mayor in this state (Fresno I think, at least Fresno USED to have conservative mayor; there's a Republican mayor in San Diego but he's more liberal than most Democrats). They are just powerless. And ignored.


Hey, can't have everything.



- Josiah
 

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Definitely the nobodys are leaving. My state Tennessee is getting a lot - and especially Texas. Well, again we see in California - the fact that the super-rich liberal elite are not affected by their policies - so they ignore it. However, though, honestly, it's the "nobody" mass that elected in the Democrats - so this must be about "nobody whites". However, though, I suspect they also voted in the democrats - and in fact, continue voting them in - even after they've emigrated out of the state.
 

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Definitely the nobodys are leaving. My state Tennessee is getting a lot - and especially Texas. Well, again we see in California - the fact that the super-rich liberal elite are not affected by their policies - so they ignore it. However, though, honestly, it's the "nobody" mass that elected in the Democrats - so this must be about "nobody whites". However, though, I suspect they also voted in the democrats - and in fact, continue voting them in - even after they've emigrated out of the state.


Well, here's what's weird: YES, businesses are leaving in droves (mostly for Arizona and Texas) BUT new businesses are starting just as fast (California is STILL a land of invention), so the unemployment rate is not so bad (pretty close to the national average, I suspect). What IS occurring in this People's Republic of California is a decline in the Middle Class - jobs are abundant but only at the low and high ends. The lower classes seem to get buy with all the socialism here, the upper class does well here. It's the middle that's getting killed with the taxes, housing costs and declining middle income jobs.

And yes, some residents are moving away, too - mostly to Arizona, Nevada and points south - where a house costs $250K instead of $750K and where middle income jobs exist. I had a neighbor move to North Dakota. BUT many move to California, too. Illegals certainly but also lots of Millennial college grads (especially with degrees in science or technology). For those who can afford it and who have skills that are in enormous demand here, it's a great place to live, work and play. The family that bought that house of the ones who moved to North Dakota has a Masters in Computer Science. His employer paid all his moving costs to come here and gave him a five figure signing bonus.
 

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Having lived here in SoCal now since '98, I have seen the spread of 'progressive' thinking and politics destroy much of this state.

Seriously would love to relocate out of California in the next couple years.
Come to Texas :) we lean mostly conservative here and no radical progressives here either.. The ones who actually vote here would never elect or pass "tolerance" laws because there is no need for them... We all tolerate each other respectively and everyone plays nice... just don't move to Houston, the traffic blocks police patrol so criminals pretty much always get away with robberies..
Austin is actually very friendly
 

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I really struggle to understand why people stay in an area that imposes punitive taxes without offering much in return. I suppose having been reluctant to move away from one area because of all the amenities it offered, even if I only very seldom used most of them, it makes me more conscious that I can probably get the aspects I want elsewhere.

Sometimes I wonder whether a place that has such a huge turnover of people who might count as middle class indicates the reality doesn't live up to expectations, and the idea that people come in with a romanticised view of what life will be like once they are earning all that money only to find that it doesn't go anywhere near as far as they hoped and they spend hours every day stuck in traffic. I know I reached a point where I concluded that making really good money just wasn't worth losing 12+ hours a week travelling to and from work, on top of the time actually spent at work, which was part of what prompted me to shift down a few gears and do something else.
 

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I really struggle to understand why people stay in an area that imposes punitive taxes without offering much in return.


Where is that not the case?


IMO, there are other reasons to live somewhere than that we get a good return on our taxes.
 

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Come to Texas :) we lean mostly conservative here and no radical progressives here either.. The ones who actually vote here would never elect or pass "tolerance" laws because there is no need for them... We all tolerate each other respectively and everyone plays nice... just don't move to Houston, the traffic blocks police patrol so criminals pretty much always get away with robberies..
Austin is actually very friendly

Hey Andrew, I've thought about that. I've spent time in the Pan Handle, and there are some nice towns.
Funny though,.. all my Texas relatives live in Houston. Couple Aunts and a bunch cousins, and a few friends live down there. I was last there in 2007; and I wasn't impressed then, and I hear often how bad it has gotten in that area. A friend of mine came home one day to a gang member dying on her doorstep after being shot. And my cousin was robbed at gunpoint in his garage on time.

Honestly, the big cities are not a place I'd want to live. In Texas alone, I've been to Dallas/Fort Worth, San Antonio and El Paso, and I would much prefer a rural town. I love the little town of Groom. Been there at least a half dozen times. And always a visit to the Cross! :)
 

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Where is that not the case?


IMO, there are other reasons to live somewhere than that we get a good return on our taxes.

Punitive taxes are different from needing a return on taxes. I suspect for most people there isn't anywhere you get much of a return on taxes, simply because of the way they work - generally the people who pay the most get the least tangible benefit from them. But when taxes get to the point they are crippling it seems like a good reason to leave.
 

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San Francisco has always been California at its WACKIEST.
 
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