What is baptism and what does it mean?

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There are many passages in holy scripture that speak of baptism and give indications of its meaning and significance, in your reading of holy scripture what have you discovered about baptism, how it is administered and to whom and what it means?
 

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depends whether your referring to sprinkling .or actual baptism
 

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There are many passages in holy scripture that speak of baptism and give indications of its meaning and significance, in your reading of holy scripture what have you discovered about baptism, how it is administered and to whom and what it means?
MC, are you referring to water baptism, Spirit baptism or maybe both?
 

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MC, are you referring to water baptism, Spirit baptism or maybe both?

As the scriptures say, "John baptised with water ..." let's stick with water and see what happens.
 

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My friend Tammy gave me permission years ago to post her bible study on baptism so here it is. Enjoy and thank you, Tammy (she needs to join CH).


1. WHAT BLESSINGS DO WE RECEIVE FROM GOD IN BAPTISM?

1 Peter 3:20-21. … in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it a few people, eight in all, were saved through water — and this water symbolizes Baptism that now saves you also.

Colossians 2:11-12. In Him you were also circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, in the removal of the body of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ, having been buried with Him in Baptism, in which you were also raised up with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead.

Romans 6:3-10. Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? Therefore we have been buried with Him through Baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life. For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection, knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin; for he who has died is freed from sin. Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him, knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, is never to die again; death no longer is master over Him. For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God.

* Note: These passages from Colossians and Romans are summarized well by Dr. Lowell Green: “Baptism is the retroactive participation in the work of Good Friday and Easter Sunday — even better, it is incorporation into the body of the risen and ascended Savior ...”

Galatians 3:27. For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.

Eph. 5:26. Christ loved the church and gave Himself up for her to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word.

Titus 3:5. He saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit.

Corinthians 12:13. For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.

1 Corinthians 6:11. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

Acts 22:16. And now what are you waiting for? Get up, be baptized and wash your sins away, calling on his name.

Acts 2:37-39. Now when they heard this they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, "Brothers, what shall we do?" And Peter said to them, "Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself."

Mark 16:16. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

* Note: In these passages, the Word of God associates Baptism with dying and rising with Christ, being clothed with Christ, being cleansed and made holy by Christ, having sins washed away, receiving the Holy Spirit, being regenerated (reborn) and renewed, receiving the forgiveness of sins, and being saved.


2. WHO IS TO BE BAPTIZED?

Matthew 28:19-20. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.

Mark 16:15-16. And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.


2. Acts 2:37-39. Now when they heard this they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, "Brothers, what shall we do?" And Peter said to them, "Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself."

* Note: The burden of proof lies on those who would choose to deny God’s gift of Baptism to an entire class of people.


3. ARE THERE ANY INDICATIONS IN THE BIBLE THAT INFANTS WERE BAPTIZED?

Colossians 2:11-12. In Him you were also circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, in the removal of the body of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ, having been buried with Him in Baptism, in which you were also raised up with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead.

* Note: Circumcision was a rite associated almost exclusively with infants (eight days old). It would be odd to refer to Baptism as the “circumcision of Christ” if Baptism of infants was to be forbidden while circumcision was given almost exclusively to infants. (Note also that infants did receive Jewish proselyte baptism.)

Acts 2:37-39. Now when they heard this they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, "Brothers, what shall we do?" And Peter said to them, "Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself."

Acts 16:14-15. One of those listening was a woman named Lydia, a dealer in purple cloth from the city of Thyatira, who was a worshiper of God. The Lord opened her heart to respond to Paul's message. When she and the members of her household were baptized, she invited us to her home.

1 Corinthians 1:16. Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas.

Acts 16:33. And he took them that very hour of the night and washed their wounds, and immediately he was baptized, he and all his household.

* Note: Households included all members of the family (which usually included extended family) as well as servants and their families. For this reason, it would be unlikely that none of the households referred to above included a baby.

* Note: There is very strong historical evidence that Infant Baptism has been the common practice of the Christian Church since the first century of the Christian era, and was almost entirely unopposed until the 1500’s. For more information, see http://www.issuesetc.org/resource/journals/kastens.htm. Historical information from outside the Bible does not prove what is right, but humility would suggest that we should think twice before concluding that the whole Christian Church got it wrong for about one and a half millennia — especially when it is seen that a strong Biblical case can be made for infant Baptism.


4. ARE INFANTS IN NEED OF THE BLESSINGS THAT BAPTISM GIVES?

Psalm 51:5. Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me.

Ecclesiastes 7:20. For there is not a just man on earth who does good and does not sin.

Romans 3:20. For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.

John 3:6. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.


3. Romans 8:7. For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot.

Ephesians 2:1. And you were dead in your trespasses and sins.
 

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5. ARE INFANTS CAPABLE OF RECEIVING GOD’S BLESSINGS?

Luke 1:15. For he [John the Baptist] will be great in the sight of the Lord; and he will drink no wine or liquor, and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit while yet in his mother's womb.

Luke 1:41-44. When Elizabeth heard Mary's greeting, the baby leaped in her womb; and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. And she cried out with a loud voice and said, 'Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb! And how has it happened to me, that the mother of my Lord would come to me? For behold, when the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby leaped in my womb for joy.'"

* John the Baptist is an example of the Holy Spirit being active in an infant. Since Baptism is associated with receiving the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:38), this indicates that infants can receive this benefit of Baptism. We are not to deny this gift to children, but are to bring them to Him for this blessing.

Luke 18:15-17. And they were bringing even their babies to Him so that He would touch them, but when the disciples saw it, they began rebuking them. But Jesus called for them, saying, 'Permit the children to come to Me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these. Truly I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a child will not enter it at all.''

* Note: The Greek word translated “babies” in this passage (brephe) referred to children in the womb and newborns. These were babies, not older children.

* Note: Our Lord Jesus clearly states that infants can receive the kingdom of God. Since they were sinful from conception, and because that which is born of the flesh is flesh (which is hostile to God), this means that it must also be possible for infants to be born of the Spirit — otherwise, they could not receive the kingdom of God.

Matthew 18:1-6. At that time the disciples came to Jesus and said, “Who then is greatest in the kingdom of heaven?'' And He called a child to Himself and set him before them, and said, “Truly I say to you, unless you are converted and become like children, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven Whoever then humbles himself as this child, he is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. And whoever receives one such child in My name receives Me; but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him to have a heavy millstone hung around his neck, and to be drowned in the depth of the sea."

Matthew 21:15-16. But when the chief priests and the teachers of the law saw the wonderful things he did and the children shouting in the temple area, "Hosanna to the Son of David," they were indignant. "Do you hear what these children are saying?" they asked him. "Yes," replied Jesus, "have you never read, 'From the lips of children and infants you have ordained praise'?"

* Note: Since we already know from God’s Word that infants can receive the Holy Spirit and can receive the kingdom of God, it should not surprise us that Jesus here refers to small children believing in Him (which could also be translated as having faith in Him) and children and infants praising Him. It is the Holy Spirit who creates faith, and the kingdom of God is received by faith.

* Note: Since Jesus says that small children can believe in Him, we can properly speak of small children who are believers in Christ — “Christians.” If they are capable of being Christians, they should not be denied Baptism.

* Note: This (small children being believers) is reflected in early Christian tomb inscriptions. The faith of infants is also referred to in the writings of important teachers in the early church (such as Augustine). Following are quotes from a few pastors and theologians about the faith of these little ones who believe in Christ:

Dr. Martin Chemnitz: "Although we can neither understand nor explain in words what may be the nature of that action or operation of the Holy Spirit in infants who are baptized, nevertheless the Word of God leaves no doubt that such action and operation does occur. This which the Holy Spirit produces in infants we call faith and say that infants believe."

Dr. Johann Gerhard: "Even though we do not understand what all takes place with faith in the tiny, little children, yet we should hold the Word of God in such reverence that we do not deny what it so clearly witnesses to regarding the faith of little children."

Dr. David Scaer: "Surely, if infant brains can process human language and make sense out of their environment, they can process the divine language which proceeds from the mouth of God and calls to faith. It would be strange to assert that the words of the Holy Spirit lack the efficaciousness which human language has with infants."

Dr. William Arndt: “If the question is asked how an infant, unconscious of what is happening around it and unable to understand the meaning of Baptism, can believe, the answer is that not we but the Holy Spirit creates faith in the child receiving Holy Baptism and that He can perform that miracle and take up His dwelling in children as well as in people who are grown up.”

Dr. Robert Kolb: “The Word of God is powerful enough, when uttered, to change even a godless heart, which is no less responsive and helpless than any infant.”

Dr. Lowell Green: “God does not need human cooperation. In fact, faith is the setting aside of our own activity in order that God may work in us.”


* Note: Those who say that a lack of mature reason precludes infants from having faith are encouraged to consider what the Bible says about natural man’s reason and faith -- see, for example: 1 Corinthians 1:18-31, 1 Corinthians 2:14, 1 Corinthians 3:18-20, Romans 8:6-7, 1 Timothy 6:20-21. True wisdom does not precede faith but is given by God and received by the faithful as a gift. The reasoning of an unbelieving adult is not a prerequisite to faith, but rather fights against faith.

Additional resources:

A good discussion of infant Baptism and infant faith can also be found in the novel “The Hammer of God” by Bo Giertz (pages 214-227).

These topics are also addressed in the book “Scriptural Baptism,” which is written in the form of a dialogue between a Lutheran and a Baptist. The book can be read online at: http://www.geocities.com/resourcesforlutherans/infantBaptism.htm

Books well worth purchasing that have excellent discussions of this are “Baptism” by Dr. David P. Scaer (available from www.cph.org) and “Baptized into God’s Family” by Dr. A. Andrew Das (available from www.nph.net). For an outstanding classic treatment, see “A Comprehensive Exploration of Holy Baptism and Lord's Supper” by Johann Gerhard (available from www.cph.org).

6. ADDITIONAL COMMENTS REGARDING THE ADMINISTRATION OF BAPTISM

In Biblical accounts of Baptism, there was not a lengthy delay between conversion and Baptism (e.g. Acts 2, Acts 8:26-40, Acts 9:-17, Acts 22:1-16, Acts 16:33). They went hand in hand.

Biblical accounts of Baptism indicate that it was not necessary for it to be done publicly. The Ethiopian eunuch (Acts 8:26-40), Paul (Acts 9:18, Acts 22:16), and the Philippian jailer and his household (Acts 16:33) were all baptized in private settings. The important thing about what Baptism is what God is doing — freely giving us His gifts as He makes us His children.
 

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As the scriptures say, "John baptised with water ..." let's stick with water and see what happens.
Okay! As for water baptism, which is for Believers only, even though this is something that every Believer must ensure that they partake in as it is a sign to the world of one's conversion; this does not imply in any way that the Believer is endued with any additional power or cleansing as these two aspects of the Christian walk are elements of our having received the Holy Spirit at our conversion.

Even though we can delay our Believer's water baptism, it is still something that we cannot ignore, for that matter I would find it hard to trust anyone who refuses to be baptised in water. My use of "Believer's water baptism" obviously states that I see absolutely no evidence from within the Scriptures that water baptism can be applied to infants; this means that anyone who was 'christend' as a baby will need to receive a Believer's water baptism when they are old enough to make the decision for themselves.
 

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I agree, baptising a baby just results in a wet baby
 

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Seeing that baptism is with both water '&' spirit that baby is more than just wet.
 

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Okay! As for water baptism, which is for Believers only, even though this is something that every Believer must ensure that they partake in as it is a sign to the world of one's conversion; this does not imply in any way that the Believer is endued with any additional power or cleansing as these two aspects of the Christian walk are elements of our having received the Holy Spirit at our conversion.

Even though we can delay our Believer's water baptism, it is still something that we cannot ignore, for that matter I would find it hard to trust anyone who refuses to be baptised in water. My use of "Believer's water baptism" obviously states that I see absolutely no evidence from within the Scriptures that water baptism can be applied to infants; this means that anyone who was 'christend' as a baby will need to receive a Believer's water baptism when they are old enough to make the decision for themselves.

Can you point me to the passages of holy scripture that teach that baptism is "a sign to the world of one's conversion"?

I agree, baptising a baby just results in a wet baby

If it is just water then it can only make an adult wet too even if the adult professes faith; do you think that baptism does something other than make a chap wet?
 

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well if we go back and browse the study that lammchen posted .. we see that an infant cannot have the capacity to believe and so by obedience be baptized by the symbolic burial of baptism in water ..
so infant baptism is of no value ..it can be likened to a blind and deaf man being ask to sign the contract he hes just been given to read ..
 

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well if we go back and browse the study that lammchen posted .. we see that an infant cannot have the capacity to believe and so by obedience be baptized by the symbolic burial of baptism in water ..
so infant baptism is of no value ..it can be likened to a blind and deaf man being ask to sign the contract he hes just been given to read ..

Since the person you've referred to wears a "Lutheran" faith icon I cannot help but think that your stated reasoning is not how she would reason through the matter of faith and baptism.

Baptism does not mean one has a capacity to believe and obey, if it did there would be teaching in holy scripture to tell us that but nobody ever produces such scriptural teaching when asked to do so. The truth is that baptism is something that God does as the Lord says "unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God" being born of water and the Spirit is baptism and that is why saint Peter reiterates the teaching of Christ saying "Baptism ... now saves you" and we see in the scriptures that "He who believes and is baptised will be saved" and we all know that getting wet (water only) cannot do these things and that only God can save the lost so it is that God is the one who works in Baptism and who causes one to be "born from above" because the Lord himself says "In all truth I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God without being born from above". Thus an infant and an adult is a fit candidate for baptism because baptism is the sign, seal, and means of grace that God applies to the elect according to his good will and purposes. It is not something that a chap does to prove to others that he has faith, if doing that is baptism's only significance then it is merely getting wet to prove a point.
 

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Can you point me to the passages of holy scripture that teach that baptism is "a sign to the world of one's conversion"?



If it is just water then it can only make an adult wet too even if the adult professes faith; do you think that baptism does something other than make a chap wet?
It must be a consicoius anddecision to be baptized as an act of faith and going hand in hand with salvation. A baby is not capable of making thta king of decision and there fore it is a waste of time. If babies should be baptized then why was Jesus an adult before hHe was baptized?
 

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Can you point me to the passages of holy scripture that teach that baptism is "a sign to the world of one's conversion"?



If it is just water then it can only make an adult wet too even if the adult professes faith; do you think that baptism does something other than make a chap wet?

It must be a consicoius anddecision to be baptized as an act of faith and going hand in hand with salvation. A baby is not capable of making thta king of decision and there fore it is a waste of time. If babies should be baptized then why was Jesus an adult before hHe was baptized?

Your reply does not contain any passages of scripture; is that because none exist that teach baptism is "a sign to the world of one's conversion"?
 

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Your reply does not contain any passages of scripture; is that because none exist that teach baptism is "a sign to the world of one's conversion"?
When was Jesus baptized? When were christian s in the book of Acts baptized and by the way there is no scripture showing babies being baptizzed. If this is something that should be done why didnt John the Baptist and why is it not mentioned. You know this deflection used all the time with scripture can and will cut both ways. You want scripture, search it out for yourself, I am not a walking bible and I dont appreciate my comments being negated with deflection. You believe in infant baptism then show me one scripture that says it should be done
 

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Your reply does not contain any passages of scripture; is that because none exist that teach baptism is "a sign to the world of one's conversion"?

When was Jesus baptized? When were christian s in the book of Acts baptized and by the way there is no scripture showing babies being baptizzed. If this is something that should be done why didnt John the Baptist and why is it not mentioned. You know this deflection used all the time with scripture can and will cut both ways. You want scripture, search it out for yourself, I am not a walking bible and I dont appreciate my comments being negated with deflection. You believe in infant baptism then show me one scripture that says it should be done

Still no passage of holy scripture that say baptism is "a sign to the world of one's conversion"? Must be hard to make a case if you can't come up with any passages teaching what you teach.
 

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Still no passage of holy scripture that say baptism is "a sign to the world of one's conversion"? Must be hard to make a case if you can't come up with any passages teaching what you teach.
Yes, as I see you have no scripture supporting and saying babies should bebaptized. Lets quit this and actually admit that there is no such scripture
 

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Yes, as I see you have no scripture supporting and saying babies should bebaptized. Lets quit this and actually admit that there is no such scripture

But I do and I have given some about what baptism means.

I think you have given up on showing scripture to support the meaning you say baptism has. That's okay, I do not believe that baptism is "a sign to the world of one's conversion" and since it does not mean that it is not necessary to believe personally BEFORE one is baptised, as saint Paul said, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house".
 

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What it means to you and your denom, nothing that says babies should be baptized nor anything answering why no babies written about as being baptized. However, there is scripture which supports baptism and salvation
 
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