Outside the church there is no Salvation ( discussion)

[Hammster]

I need not submit to your hermeneutic; I know that it is the Blessed Virgin Mary who is the primary reference in Rev 11:19-12:2. After all, who but the Blessed Virgin gave birth to the child who is saviour of the world.

I know that's what you know. But you have a false gospel, so why stop there?

 

[MoreCoffee]

I know that's what you know. But you have a false gospel, so why stop there?

Fluff and nonsense

:swordfight:

 

[Hammster]

Fluff and nonsense

:swordfight:

Catholicism? Exactly. All fluff, no substance.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Catholicism? Exactly. All fluff, no substance.

:kiss:

 

[Hammster]

:kiss:

No thanks. I don't swing that way.

 

[MoreCoffee]

No thanks. I don't swing that way.

:first:

 

[Hammster]

1365 Because it is the memorial of Christ's Passover, the Eucharist is also a sacrifice. The sacrificial character of the Eucharist is manifested in the very words of institution: "This is my body which is given for you" and "This cup which is poured out for you is the New Covenant in my blood."187 In the Eucharist Christ gives us the very body which he gave up for us on the cross, the very blood which he "poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins."


More unbiblical nonsense.

 

[MoreCoffee]

1365 Because it is the memorial of Christ's Passover, the Eucharist is also a sacrifice. The sacrificial character of the Eucharist is manifested in the very words of institution: "This is my body which is given for you" and "This cup which is poured out for you is the New Covenant in my blood."187 In the Eucharist Christ gives us the very body which he gave up for us on the cross, the very blood which he "poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins."


More unbiblical nonsense.

Only to folk who do not read what the holy scriptures say.

 

[Hammster]

Only to folk who do not read what the holy scriptures say.

I read what it says. I understand what Jesus mean. I also understand he's not a real door, a real vine, etc.

 

[MoreCoffee]

I read what it says. I understand what Jesus mean. I also understand he's not a real door, a real vine, etc.

No doubt that is what you think about doors and vines but the truth is not exactly what appearances dictate. The truth is that earthly vines are created to tell creation about the Lord Jesus Christ who declares himself to be the True Vine and the doors one might find in a sheepfold are created to tell creation about the Lord Jesus Christ who is both the good shepherd and the Door. Shallow reading see only this world and its created things and tries to apply a lesson from them to God while insightful reading recognises that it is God who is the reality from which every created thing derives its being and its meaning.

 

[Hammster]

No doubt that is what you think about doors and vines but the truth is not exactly what appearances dictate. The truth is that earthly vines are created to tell creation about the Lord Jesus Christ who declares himself to be the True Vine and the doors one might find in a sheepfold are created to tell creation about the Lord Jesus Christ who is both the good shepherd and the Door. Shallow reading see only this world and its created things and tries to apply a lesson from them to God while insightful reading recognises that it is God who is the reality from which every created thing derives its being and its meaning.

And the same could be said about the bread and wine without the nonsense you've created.

 

[MoreCoffee]

And the same could be said about the bread and wine without the nonsense you've created.

The Lord Jesus Christ said "Truly, truly, I say to you, it was not Moses who gave you the bread from heaven; my Father gives you the true bread from heaven." and he adds "I am the bread of life; he who comes to me shall not hunger, and he who believes in me shall never thirst." These things we believe.

 

[Hammster]

The Lord Jesus Christ said "ruly, truly, I say to you, it was not Moses who gave you the bread from heaven; my Father gives you the true bread from heaven." and he adds "I am the bread of life; he who comes to me shall not hunger, and he who believes in me shall never thirst." These things we believe.

Me, too.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Me, too.

And the Lord says, "I am the bread which came down from heaven." and "I am the bread of life. Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died. This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that a man may eat of it and not die. I am the living bread which came down from heaven; if any one eats of this bread, he will live for ever; and the bread which I shall give for the life of the world is my flesh." These things we believe. And so we eat the heavenly bread which is the flesh of the Lord for he says, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you; he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him. As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats me will live because of me. This is the bread which came down from heaven, not such as the fathers ate and died; he who eats this bread will live for ever."

 

[Hammster]

Yep. But I waiting for the verse that says the bread becomes the actual body of Christ.

Don't worry looking for it, though.

And I'm anathema. But I'm good with that.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Yep. But I waiting for the verse that says the bread becomes the actual body of Christ.

Don't worry looking for it, though.

And I'm anathema. But I'm good with that.

I am more than satisfied with what the Lord says and I believe him so I receive his flesh and his blood in the holy Eucharist because he himself says "this is my body" and "this is my blood of the new covenant". What eye has not seen we believe because the Lord says it is so.

 

[Hammster]

I am more than satisfied with what the Lord says and I believe him so I receive his flesh and his blood in the holy Eucharist because he himself says "this is my body" and "this is my blood of the new covenant". What eye has not seen we believe because the Lord says it is so.

And I guess you must believe he's a real door. You, if you make it, will be surprised when you see Him face to face.

 

[MoreCoffee]

And I guess you must believe he's a real door. You, if you make it, will be surprised when you see Him face to face.

I believe that the Lord Jesus Christ is the good shepherd, the door, the way, the truth, the life, the bread from heaven, and the light of the world.

 

[Hammster]

I believe that the Lord Jesus Christ is the good shepherd, the door, the way, the truth, the life, the bread from heaven, and the light of the world.

And all literal, if you are going to be consistent. But we both know you aren't.

 

[MoreCoffee]

And all literal, if you are going to be consistent. But we both know you aren't.

That the Lord Jesus Christ is the good shepherd, the door, the way, the truth, the life, the bread from heaven, and the light of the world is all true.